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    Player Kyrial's Avatar
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    Fell Cleave Options

    So, quick question... working with what I have, what would be the better option for Fell Cleave... Ravager's Mask +1, or Varangian Helm? Both inside and outside of Abyssea.

    Also, it occurs to me that I don't have any good WS pants for WAR? What are some nice options? (Not just for Fell Cleave.)
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    There's not many great options for legs. I use Teutates Subligar normally, because whenever I play WAR my Attack is usually capped (at least on mobs I'd be using Fell Cleave on), both inside and outside Abyssea. Hachiryu Haidate would be best, although not exactly many of those to go around.

    For head I'd go with Ravager's Mask +2, for the same reason, or Twilight Helm if you have it. Although if you did have it, I don't think you'd be asking this, so I'll be over there.
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    For head, go with the Varangian Helm over Ravager's +1. I'd still go with Varangian when you upgrade it to +2 since acc is very likely to be capped, double attack isn't worth it for AOE WS, and FC is purely STR based so the VIT doesn't offer anything. Crit +3% I'm not sure about though. This may or may not beat 4STR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    For head, go with the Varangian Helm over Ravager's +1. I'd still go with Varangian when you upgrade it to +2 since acc is very likely to be capped, double attack isn't worth it for AOE WS, and FC is purely STR based so the VIT doesn't offer anything. Crit +3% I'm not sure about though. This may or may not beat 4STR.
    This. Completely. I forgot that Varangian Helm also has STR on it, which makes my point moot.

    Critical hit rate doesn't affect Fell Cleave, so that doesn't matter, and Acc should be capped on most things, both inside and outside of Abyssea. Fell Cleave has a very high STR mod, so you'll see big rewards from that, even when Attack isn't capped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Critical hit rate doesn't affect Fell Cleave, so that doesn't matter
    I didn't think it would but I didn't want to assume so. Thanks for confirming.
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    +2 > Twilight > Viking hat if only targeting one mob
    Twilight > Viking hat > +2 if targeting a group since iirc DA can only hit the main mob (Although this may just be when using Warrior's Charge, in which case +2 is probably always better)

    for legs +2 are better than teutates I'd say, because in my experience FC doesn't get an accuracy boost. Of course Hachiryu Haidate are optimal, and the WS DMG+2 trophy pants might even beat that if you're using VV (which you should unless you can keep up Mighty Strikes, in which case use Sanguine Scythe. It's not particularly hard to keep up Mighty Strikes either when Azure and Pearl is capped). Mighty Strikes does make FC crit, like all WS.
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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    for legs +2 are better than teutates I'd say, because in my experience FC doesn't get an accuracy boost.
    It's hard to say, on current content my accuracy is capped on almost everything. Especially everything FC worthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    Of course Hachiryu Haidate are optimal, and the WS DMG+2 trophy pants might even beat that if you're using VV (which you should unless you can keep up Mighty Strikes, in which case use Sanguine Scythe. It's not particularly hard to keep up Mighty Strikes either when Azure and Pearl is capped). Mighty Strikes does make FC crit, like all WS.
    Does that hold true for AoE hits too? I never tried that actually, imo it's not worth getting chests when mobs die so soon anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Does that hold true for AoE hits too? I never tried that actually, imo it's not worth getting chests when mobs die so soon anyway.
    Yes, using cleave while MS is active makes the forced crit apply to everything. When my friends and I get lazy in a cleave, I've taken to just spamming keys on every blue chest that drops and MS'ing when it's up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrid View Post
    Yes, using cleave while MS is active makes the forced crit apply to everything. When my friends and I get lazy in a cleave, I've taken to just spamming keys on every blue chest that drops and MS'ing when it's up.
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    I'm pretty surprise to be finding out that not all WARs prefer 2hr Cleaving when at all possible in Abyssea. It's... pure... crack in a handbag... it's... smex(Super Made Sex)! Try it as often as you can! @-@
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingfury View Post
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    I'm pretty surprise to be finding out that not all WARs prefer 2hr Cleaving when at all possible in Abyssea. It's... pure... crack in a handbag... it's... smex(Super Made Sex)! Try it as often as you can! @-@
    I have other things to spend cruor on. Whether all mobs die in 3 seconds or 10 seconds doesn't matter to me at all. And I'm not that hot for high numbers, at least not on stuff that doesn't matter.
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