[dev1009] HNM's

[Alhanelem]

You know that's besides the point right? It's just not about BB items moreso the idea that SE places such high value on items that are outdated or subject to being matched or outclassed by things that take a few days of effort.

What makes Kings so special other than the fact that at one time they were special mobs?

12-18 people for Ks99 is extremely ideal yet it doesn't matter. The rate on BB items is low for no reason other than "to preserve a trophy item". Funny BB is considered a trophy yet the Ninurta Sash (the best example) off AV was simply trounced via Twilight Belts 100% drop.

No problem there with annihilating the value of that item yet BB/King drops are special? Cmon.

Am I msising something here? BB items hard to get? No, they're not.

[Raksha]

as many as it takes.

This is the answer I was looking for. Thumbs up.

[Sparthos]

Am I msising something here? BB items hard to get? No, they're not.

You're missing the part where more often than not it takes multiple runs of a Ks99 to get one BB item.

The part where nothing else in the Ks99 pool can be used to get help from others since the loot is obsolete.

The part where the NQ triggers put into the Ks99 pools are effectively useless (cept Fafnir) granted the drop rate on HQ triggers is terrible.

Oh and the part where SE makes things drop at a low rate simply for the sake of doing it.

[Bumbeen]

The low drop rate is there to keep everyone in the game from acquiring something. You could make it so an NPC tracks your group's KB kills and awards it to one person after 20 kills. But that would be boring, and you could never get lucky and impress your friends with your jp button.

[Alhanelem]

You're missing the part where more often than not it takes multiple runs of a Ks99 to get one BB item.

You also get pop items for the regular NMs which means more chances to get the items. Black belt is stil basically THE most powerful non-weapon item for MNK. It SHOULD take some time to get. That said, if you take a group to do KS99s and at least a few of them bring an orb, you're probably going to get your item.It's not like crests/bst seals/k crests/k seals are that hard to get. Get some friends to come that don't want 'em and pool them to you.

[Raksha]

You also get pop items for the regular NMs which means more chances to get the items.

Regular NM doesnt drop black belt items anymore (that's what we like to call a nerf) and you only have a 8% chance (+/- 4%) WITH TH9+ to get an HQ pop, to pop a mob THAT NO LONGER HAS A 100% CHANCE TO DROP BB ITEM. (This was also a nerf)

Black belt is stil basically THE most powerful non-weapon item for MNK. It SHOULD take some time to get. That said, if you take a group to do KS99s and at least a few of them bring an orb, you're probably going to get your item.

This is mostly true (the parts that aren't opinions anyway) and has nothing whatsoever to do with the HQ pop drop rate.

It's not like crests/bst seals/k crests/k seals are that hard to get. Get some friends to come that don't want 'em and pool them to you.

I know you're still referring to black belt, but at the moment it takes more kindred seals to get a d.ring than it does alexandrite to get a mythic.

If you want to farm k.crest or h.k.crest instead then IT WILL TAKE FOUR TIMES AS MANY OF THOSE THAN IT TAKES ALEXANDRITE TO GET A MYTHIC.

[Bumbeen]

IT WILL TAKE FOUR TIMES AS MANY OF THOSE THAN IT TAKES ALEXANDRITE TO GET A MYTHIC.

Praise be to the glory of d.ring! Only the luckiest of the lucky will have one then. I will gambool my seals on it since it will be awesome town gear. Good thing that if I don't get super duper lucky it won't affect my performance at all.

Also here's to hoping this means that BB will remain the best waist piece for monk at 99. I remember they said that if they weren't going to replace BB they would make it more difficult to acquire... or something to that effect.

[Alhanelem]

If you want to farm k.crest or h.k.crest instead then IT WILL TAKE FOUR TIMES AS MANY OF THOSE THAN IT TAKES ALEXANDRITE TO GET A MYTHIC.

Not exactly. If you're farming in original areas, you're getting kindred seals in addition to crests and beastmen seals.

And 30k seals? only if you have the worst luck of anyone in the entire universe.

[Raksha]

Not exactly. If you're farming in original areas, you're getting kindred seals in addition to crests and beastmen seals.

And 30k seals? only if you have the worst luck of anyone in the entire universe.

40,000 actually, but that was assuming a 5% drop rate on HQ king pop (our data shows ~8%).

Luck has nothing to do with it. The guy who gets it 1/1 is balanced out by the guy who goes 0/800.

The 40,000 number is a calculated average.

[Alhanelem]

umm... a calculated average of what? I'm not talking about HQ NM pops. I'm talking about the black belt items...

Anyway, we killed 3 Behemoths and got a KB pop. So there.

No D ring.