[dev1009] HNM's

[Alhanelem]

If you want to farm k.crest or h.k.crest instead then IT WILL TAKE FOUR TIMES AS MANY OF THOSE THAN IT TAKES ALEXANDRITE TO GET A MYTHIC.

Not exactly. If you're farming in original areas, you're getting kindred seals in addition to crests and beastmen seals.

And 30k seals? only if you have the worst luck of anyone in the entire universe.

[Raksha]

Not exactly. If you're farming in original areas, you're getting kindred seals in addition to crests and beastmen seals.

And 30k seals? only if you have the worst luck of anyone in the entire universe.

40,000 actually, but that was assuming a 5% drop rate on HQ king pop (our data shows ~8%).

Luck has nothing to do with it. The guy who gets it 1/1 is balanced out by the guy who goes 0/800.

The 40,000 number is a calculated average.

[Alhanelem]

umm... a calculated average of what? I'm not talking about HQ NM pops. I'm talking about the black belt items...

Anyway, we killed 3 Behemoths and got a KB pop. So there.

No D ring.

[Raksha]

umm... a calculated average of what? I'm not talking about HQ NM pops. I'm talking about the black belt items...

Anyway, we killed 3 Behemoths and got a KB pop. So there.

No D ring.

Oh, sorry I was talking about d.ring.

Average number of kindred seals required to obtain a d.ring.

5% drop rate on HQ pop (1/20) and 5% drop rate on d.ring (also 1/20) works out to be 1/20 * 1/20 = 1/400

400 orbs * 99 k.seals = 39,600 kindred seals.

Like I said though the drop rate with th9+ is closer to 8% so it'll take fewer than that.

[InspectorGadget]

I honestly couldnt care less what happens to HNM's from here on out since I pretty much got everything outside of the D. Ring a long time ago when everything was normal. But I have to say, after doing a few Behemoth KS99 runs and NQ's, that this system is absolutely the worst thing to happen to the game since the Ranger nerf in 2004. Pretty much put the nail in the coffin for linkshells that still enjoyed camping and killing HNMs.

---==[What they should have done (SE Devs, I hope you are reading this)]==---

What they should have done is keep the system the way it was with Fafnir/Nidhogg, Behemoth/King Behemoth, and Adamantoise/Aspidechlone being 21-24 hour timed spawn HNMs AS WELL AS having them poppable with the items they implemented (albeit at lower droprates, etc). That way everyone is happy. There's a saying "if it ain't broke, dont fix it", HNMs were not broke before the update, they very much are now because of it.

[Raksha]

There's a saying "if it ain't broke, dont fix it", HNMs were not broke before the update, they very much are now because of it.

They were broken before the update, everyone and their brother botted them.

Otherwise I agree with most of everything else you said.

[Malamasala]

And 30k seals? only if you have the worst luck of anyone in the entire universe.

That would be me, which is why I'm glad I'm not even bothering with D.ring for my Summoner. (Not really vital gear after all, even if it would be fun to have)

[RaenRyong]

If you count an accomplishment as beating the random number generator (because that's all it is, neither the KSNM nor the fight are even remotely difficult) then... :X

[Bumbeen]

If you count an accomplishment as beating the random number generator (because that's all it is, neither the KSNM nor the fight are even remotely difficult) then... :X

Nothing in the game is remotely difficult(hyperbole, don't come trollin). Change "accomplishment" to whatever word you would like to use to describe doing something in FFXI. Either way, I'm glad they didn't make it so everyone can have a d.ring.

[RaenRyong]

Exactly, so they shouldn't just introduce arbitrary timesinks/luck factors to dictate rarity. The best gear should be awarded based on skill and the fact that FFXI doesn't is a great failing.