Parser / Dps Meter!

[Catsby]

As far as I'm concerned, S-E would lose me as a paying customer if parsers EVER became an official part of this game. It's bad enough that these so-called "pro" gamers feel the need to outdo everyone by .01% using Windower gear change macros or label entire jobs as "useless" because "The parser said so". I can only imagine what these egomaniacs would do if they could see other people's stats. I'd be surprised if GMs didn't go on strike because of the skyrocketing call volume that would ensue.

Any tool that can be used for exclusionary purposes doesn't need to exist at all, much less officially. Get it out and let people play the game for the game's own sake.

You think too highly about yourself and you have a poor understanding of why people want a parser. People already have a fairly good idea of what their party metrics would look like but a parser would provide a more accurate measurement to improve themselves. It's a tool not a high score table but can easily double as one (game already has a couple of those). I don't think people call GMs over BCNM clear times, titles or membership to certain linkshells...

[Karbuncle]

What in gods name would a parser have to do with GM calls?

Are you implying the people who don't bother gearing themselves properly or skilling up their weapons would cry to GM's when they're booted because parser results? If so, yah, I could maybe see that happening. The type of player who refuses to progress in any way through gear or weaponry are generally the type who have GMs on speed-dial.

But Honestly, an In-game parser would likely be abused by the arrogant to weed out the weak, Which is a bad thing for most players, because to be perfectly frank, most players are bad. But at the same time, it can be positive, and help every player learn their current standing and strive for improvement.

It would also help some players test certain gearsets.

It has good and bad, unfortunately its been said they have no interest in implementing one, so arguing is a moot point, would you not agree? Oh well. Conversation is what keeps forums interesting.

[Rhianu]

I gotta agree with Catsby here. A parser is used as a measurement tool for people to improve themselves, not as a rod to beat down others who aren't preforming as well.

This is especially true over differences as small as 0.01%, which is a difference no one ever actually gets berated over, anyway. If anyone gets berated at all, it would be the guy who's doing 90-95% less, not the guy who's doing 0.01% less.

Anyone who's ever actually used a parser would already know and understand this.

[Karbuncle]

I agree as well, Just I'm simply not naive enough to think some special kind of arrogant people will in fact use it as a rod to beat others.

I still think it should be added, Because the good outweighs the bad.

[Laraul]

I don't understand. You people do know you can scroll back thru the log and see how much damage you did. You people most likely are capable of arithmetic. Get your self a stop-watch and there you go.

If you aren't willing to do this... then DPS must not be that important.

[Ravenmore]

I think they would be helpful too, parsers could really help some people fig out if skill is better then str/int for dmg with out having to dig though forums. There could even be a fix to make it were you could only see your data. Hey its still mute though. Interesting to think of what stats they going to allow us to see when they get around to it.

[Bubeeky]

And if you fail and waste all the time you spent collecting popsets because someone was just having fun playing their own way!?

If I fail because someone was having fun, oh well, we farm another popset and try again, it's really not a hard concept

[Arcon]

But Honestly, an In-game parser would likely be abused by the arrogant to weed out the weak, Which is a bad thing for most players, because to be perfectly frank, most players are bad. But at the same time, it can be positive, and help every player learn their current standing and strive for improvement.

I don't even think the argument against it is an argument at all. The elitist jerks are already weeding out the weak with third party parsers, how would an official parser be any different to what it is now?

And even if, there's a simple fix to that: simply let everyone only see their own parse results. That way no one can tell how good anyone else is, and still has all (well, most) the benefits for testing purposes. Comparing parse results is almost useless anyway, because of all of the disruptive factors involved in it (some of which were mentioned before).

[Karbuncle]

blahblahblah And even if, there's a simple fix to that: simply let everyone only see their own parse results. Blahblahblah

Thats actually a brilliant idea. Every problem ever brought up has just been solved by this.

We can lock the thread now :P (no im being serious, That solution would be phenomenal)

[Byrth]

It would also be about as useful as an official windowed mode.