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    Player Return1's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetonegi View Post
    GHorn's trash now TBH. So many ways to get refresh that even outside abyssea that the 4 more MP you get from Ghorn is unnoticeable. Your WHM should be sticking to Cure IV and V out of abyssea. So unless your tank or whm are just terrible, RefreshII+BalladII/III+2 is MORE than enough; 7MP Refreshes from RDMs + with 9MP Ballads from non ghorn brds is MORE than enough especially since you can idle in 5MP/tick refresh. That's 21MP a tick, the extra 4 MP isn't noticeable like it was at 75 where WHMs would be at 7MP/tick usually 8 if /smn so it'd be about 50% more MP. BRD inventory excuse is a joke too you use all of 5 instruments, Ballad, Lullaby, Elegy, March, and Minuet. It's not that big a deal to keep 5 items in Mog Sack or Satchel when you have 240 slots of storage between those and your gobbiebag. Even if you don't have Satchel its still 5 items out of 160 slots and considering BRD doesn't have to do gear swaps like melee(who usually have at LEAST 20 pieces of gear) BRD needing 19 total isn't bad at all.
    I'm not really a BRD, but I'll tell you this much. Refresh will become more important as the content progresses. All MP based actions to come will cost more and more. There also seems to be a tendency for time limits to be added to every new event. Voidwatch and the new Dynamis NMs only give you 30 minutes to fight them. For things where you want to nuke, that refresh will become more noticeable as instead of where it was mostly just survival before, it's about increasing damage to race a clock (Not that anything currently is terribly hard or pressing you for time with a larger group mind you). It's also still valuable for low manning as it can completely offset the loss of another Refresh.

    It's not nearly as powerful as it once was, but it's not really garbage as it's still a powerful buff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Return1 View Post
    I'm not really a BRD, but I'll tell you this much. Refresh will become more important as the content progresses. All MP based actions to come will cost more and more. There also seems to be a tendency for time limits to be added to every new event. Voidwatch and the new Dynamis NMs only give you 30 minutes to fight them. For things where you want to nuke, that refresh will become more noticeable as instead of where it was mostly just survival before, it's about increasing damage to race a clock (Not that anything currently is terribly hard or pressing you for time with a larger group mind you). It's also still valuable for low manning as it can completely offset the loss of another Refresh.

    It's not nearly as powerful as it once was, but it's not really garbage as it's still a powerful buff.
    Not really. outside of abyssea cure 6 is a waste of MP, and cure 4 works well outside of abyssea and cure 5 is good for after a High dmg tp move, and with everyone gettng convert, rdm and non-relic brd is all you'll need. Having a relic horn won't get you as far as it used too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Return1 View Post
    I'm not really a BRD, but I'll tell you this much. Refresh will become more important as the content progresses. All MP based actions to come will cost more and more. There also seems to be a tendency for time limits to be added to every new event. Voidwatch and the new Dynamis NMs only give you 30 minutes to fight them. For things where you want to nuke, that refresh will become more noticeable as instead of where it was mostly just survival before, it's about increasing damage to race a clock (Not that anything currently is terribly hard or pressing you for time with a larger group mind you). It's also still valuable for low manning as it can completely offset the loss of another Refresh.

    It's not nearly as powerful as it once was, but it's not really garbage as it's still a powerful buff.
    Um BLMs use about as much MP since BlizV is basically as much as FreezeII so unless they're really overnuking they shouldn't have a problem with MP. WHM shouldn't use Cure VI out of abyssea unless its an emergency because 1) its not mp efficient compared to CV and 2) you just don't need to cure 1k HP every 5 seconds. I've never been pressed on MP on the new content. MP MIGHT become an issue if you're trying to fight with as few people as possible or have a terrible party setup or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetonegi View Post
    Um BLMs use about as much MP since BlizV is basically as much as FreezeII so unless they're really overnuking they shouldn't have a problem with MP. WHM shouldn't use Cure VI out of abyssea unless its an emergency because 1) its not mp efficient compared to CV and 2) you just don't need to cure 1k HP every 5 seconds. I've never been pressed on MP on the new content. MP MIGHT become an issue if you're trying to fight with as few people as possible or have a terrible party setup or something like that.
    No.

    NO.

    Freeze II was always shit. It was the strongest nuke we had at one point, but the MP efficiency has always been garbage. No BLM that gave half a shit about doing his job used Freeze II unless it was to one shot something, like a statue from a higher ledge in dynamis-beau, or they were manafont zerging. E-Peen Shots too I guess.

    Blizzard V is slightly cheaper. It's stronger. It has just under half the recast time. Essentially it's dealing over twice the damage but costing almost twice the MP. This is an in need for refresh to maintain damage.

    Overnuking is a myth.

    Most of the MP needed in the future will be needed for nukes and then Cures. As we level up, gain new spells/traits/abilities, encounter new mobs, and face new battle systems, I'm sure Cure VI will eventually be a useful tool outside of abyssea as well.
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