goodbye Relic Weapon :(

[Unctgtg]

Here is a novel concept, enter every day, get your 100 coins if you can (would do final stage currency area) farm the hell out of that, help cut down on cost. You will get it 10x faster.

If it takes you 3 months to 3 years, most of us relic owners are awaiting more people to come join us, and to say welcome to the club.

[Return1]

Relic Scythe, Shield, Horn, Bow, Gun, and Dagger are all still pretty strong. After a couple more updates like the 85 to 90 jump, Relics will be king again.

The Apocalypse has always been the most game changing of the relic weapons. With my Apocalypse 90, and a BRD, I can drop 500-3,000 HP cures on myself almost constantly. I also require less haste gear so I can stack STR/ATK in free slots. Outside of Abyssea, Catastrophe is a monster of a WS.

Aegis is now looking like it will make PLDs almost completely immune to magic in the future. It's also not too far behind Ochain in physical damage reduction (15-20% over time, not too bad considering our tools now). It's a solid upgrade against magic casting mobs or mobs with powerful magical TP moves.

Upgraded Gjallarhorn is a huge boost to Ballads and BRD inventory. Ballads may not sound too hot to you abyssea heads, but abyssea is offically dead and gone (by that I mean over, new content otw, etc).

Bow and Gun have special enmity traits to their WSes that can make them situationally useful. These situations will just happen to occur more outside of abyssea.

Finally, we have Mandau. The STR modifier on Mercy Stroke and the +35 Attack on the dagger itself make it fairly strong for THF outside abyssea.

[Rie]

4 people -> 160ish O.bronze pieces in Dynamis - Beaucedine.

Considering you don't pay the entry fee, and you can enter every day, I don't think you can justifiably say 'goodbye relic weapon'.

[Atomic_Skull]

Finally, we have Mandau. The STR modifier on Mercy Stroke and the +35 Attack on the dagger itself make it fairly strong for THF outside abyssea.

If all you are doing is spamming evisceration or dancing edge then yes it's better, although in that case it's also weak compared to what almost any other job can do. If you are using SA and TA then Rudra's Storm stomps Mercy Stroke inside or outside abyssea.

[Zetonegi]

Upgraded Gjallarhorn is a huge boost to Ballads and BRD inventory. Ballads may not sound too hot to you abyssea heads, but abyssea is offically dead and gone (by that I mean over, new content otw, etc).

GHorn's trash now TBH. So many ways to get refresh that even outside abyssea that the 4 more MP you get from Ghorn is unnoticeable. Your WHM should be sticking to Cure IV and V out of abyssea. So unless your tank or whm are just terrible, RefreshII+BalladII/III+2 is MORE than enough; 7MP Refreshes from RDMs + with 9MP Ballads from non ghorn brds is MORE than enough especially since you can idle in 5MP/tick refresh. That's 21MP a tick, the extra 4 MP isn't noticeable like it was at 75 where WHMs would be at 7MP/tick usually 8 if /smn so it'd be about 50% more MP. BRD inventory excuse is a joke too you use all of 5 instruments, Ballad, Lullaby, Elegy, March, and Minuet. It's not that big a deal to keep 5 items in Mog Sack or Satchel when you have 240 slots of storage between those and your gobbiebag. Even if you don't have Satchel its still 5 items out of 160 slots and considering BRD doesn't have to do gear swaps like melee(who usually have at LEAST 20 pieces of gear) BRD needing 19 total isn't bad at all.

[Return1]

If all you are doing is spamming evisceration or dancing edge then yes it's better, although in that case it's also weak compared to what almost any other job can do. If you are using SA and TA then Rudra's Storm stomps Mercy Stroke inside or outside abyssea.

Actually, Rudra's is only significantly better with SA. This is because SA is influenced by Dex and the mod of Rudra's is DEX.

The unique nature of the (90) Relic's +25% damage bonus seems to be applied to the end result of a WS, meaning it boosts the SA/TA damage boost and extra hits from DA/TA. There's also the 35atk for the pDIF. Mandau (90) and Mercy Stroke should generally make Rudra's its bitch outside of Abyssea barring you sitting on your TP.

[Return1]

GHorn's trash now TBH. So many ways to get refresh that even outside abyssea that the 4 more MP you get from Ghorn is unnoticeable. Your WHM should be sticking to Cure IV and V out of abyssea. So unless your tank or whm are just terrible, RefreshII+BalladII/III+2 is MORE than enough; 7MP Refreshes from RDMs + with 9MP Ballads from non ghorn brds is MORE than enough especially since you can idle in 5MP/tick refresh. That's 21MP a tick, the extra 4 MP isn't noticeable like it was at 75 where WHMs would be at 7MP/tick usually 8 if /smn so it'd be about 50% more MP. BRD inventory excuse is a joke too you use all of 5 instruments, Ballad, Lullaby, Elegy, March, and Minuet. It's not that big a deal to keep 5 items in Mog Sack or Satchel when you have 240 slots of storage between those and your gobbiebag. Even if you don't have Satchel its still 5 items out of 160 slots and considering BRD doesn't have to do gear swaps like melee(who usually have at LEAST 20 pieces of gear) BRD needing 19 total isn't bad at all.

I'm not really a BRD, but I'll tell you this much. Refresh will become more important as the content progresses. All MP based actions to come will cost more and more. There also seems to be a tendency for time limits to be added to every new event. Voidwatch and the new Dynamis NMs only give you 30 minutes to fight them. For things where you want to nuke, that refresh will become more noticeable as instead of where it was mostly just survival before, it's about increasing damage to race a clock (Not that anything currently is terribly hard or pressing you for time with a larger group mind you). It's also still valuable for low manning as it can completely offset the loss of another Refresh.

It's not nearly as powerful as it once was, but it's not really garbage as it's still a powerful buff.

[Ravenmore]

No its not easier its longer and more time consuming. For the same 2 hours you spend now you may get like 100 currency on a good day but with the previous system in a city zone you came out with an average of 800 currency easy. So you get less for the same amount of work, which is why people are pissed.

How bout the 72 hours you couldn't go back in. It went from 72 hours to 22 hours to enter, if you really want a relic I don't see a problem with this. Again people are just mad they can't control other people anymore.

[Miiyo]

Relic weapons can't read on the interwebs. Why are you saying goodbye to it here?

[Orenwald]

How bout the 72 hours you couldn't go back in. It went from 72 hours to 22 hours to enter, if you really want a relic I don't see a problem with this. Again people are just made they can't control other people anymore.

it's actually not a timer anymore, it's a JP midnight :P (Just being technical here xD)

Edit: You can also do Dreamland (Old drop rates) and New Dynamis both in the same day, so why all the bishing?