[dev1017] Job Adjustments and Refinements

[Duelle]

Yea, but he still gets points for the Airplane reference.

Thank you! I was afraid no one was going to get it.

[Ravenmore]

Outside of abyssea rdm is still a great job, still even before abyssea rdms were really only wanted for 2 times, main healing merit parties and refreshing the whms and blms at endgame. Lot of things you could do with out a rdm but didn't have a whm or blm it would be tough. You should be happy all the DD players that only level rdm to merit whore are gone. Why you think people ditch jobs like rdm, brd, pld the first chance they get. To play the jobs they be meriting for years but never could get invites on or had to go though level hell so they might get in a endgame LS.

[Toren]

Really the main Job's I see that needed amending are PLD and RDM.

For instance RDM hasn't had Cure V since December 16th 2003, and It's something that Job needs to help it maintain decent healing, SCH can use things like Obi's and the Twilight cape combined with Aurorastorm for decent Cure heals.

PLD needs various amendments without turning it into a DD that's near invincible.

Asking for DD's SE had to do something to fix Zanshin as it has minor use compared to other JT's. I believe Sam, Drk and Drg are fine as they are, each can manage very well with proper gear.

[Duelle]

For instance RDM hasn't had Cure V since December 16th 2003, and It's something that Job needs to help it maintain decent healing

How about we push RDM in a new direction rather than give us more of the same stuff we've been dealing with since before TAU?

PLD definitely needs help, but I feel that job is more boned be the way hate mechanics work in FFXI.

[Leonlionheart]

@RDM melee

Want to do damage?
Atma: RR/SS/Apoc
Almace/DA ToM Sword/none/white tathlum
Zelus/torque(or Torero)/suppa/brutal
goliard/dusk+1/keen(or heed)/rajas
atheling/goading(or ninurta)/nashira/dusk+1

You can then at least say you'll be doing more damage than PLD anyway.

[Fyreus]

I couldn't help but notice there's nothing in there for RNG DRK or DRG...those are the first jobs that come to mind when I think of the word "useless"

lol are you trolling in the wrong thread? Why are those jobs useless? Everyone has refresh and can use it and only 3 jobs really use it tbh while others are fine with atmas.

[Malacite]

Ah delicious RDM tears...

Seriously though, I think we can safely say that we're at the point where no further major tweaks are necessary, save for perhaps a few cases;

RDM: I see a lot of people crying about Cure V, and when I hear it it sends off alarm bells in my head screaming out "PINK MAGE ONRY!!!" and the return of lolWHM. I don't see how these 2 jobs could get Cure V at this point with screwing over WHM outside of Abyssea once more. Rather, why not give RDM better enfeebling spells - Slow 3, Dia 4, Gravity/Silence II etc...

THF: Make treasure hunter actually work? Really sick of landing TH10+ and getting jack squat...

PLD: PLD is actually largely OK (for the moment) outside of Abyssea surprisingly enough, but that could very well change as Voidwatch & the rest of endgame evolves. As others have suggested, changing Cover to a job trait and perhaps making Sentinel 3 minutes would go a long ways towards fixing this job once & for all.

DRK: Change Insurgency to a crit WS (or failing that Quietus I suppose) problem solved >_>b

BST: The new jugs have been a huge success, and things are pretty good for BST. It does kind of suck however that Charm is basically a forgotten ability at this point.

RNG: So, I believe SE already had the fix for this job planned but they scrapped it for some reason I can't begin to fathom. Implement that enmity reduction based on range and you fix a lot of RNG's woes. The job doesn't need more firepower, it needs more ways to stay alive. Jishnu's Radiance + Dead Aim sure isn't helping in that regard.

NIN: The only remaining issue with NIN is still Shuriken. They're actually quite pointless now given the DPS on the newer katana, and even if SE gives us new ones they'd have to make them cost-effective unlike all the previous ones.

DRG: DRG's in a pretty good place now I'd say. The wyvern still feels a little too fragile though.

SMN: SMN's always been the red-headed step child of this game. I'm not even sure what SE could do at this point that wouldn't result in making the job too good. I do think that summoning skill with relation to avatar performance (HP, attack, def etc) and BP timers ought to be addressed however. And please, remove the 15% damage penalty on Avatar's Favor. You finally gave us a tool to encourage keeping avatars out, but then include a rather back-handed nerf to their damage which is already pitiful in most cases.

[Alhanelem]

Scholar should get cure V before anyone else. the job is in a serious rut- it can't trigger anything that isn't triggerable by other jobs, is a sub par healer in abyssea because cure IV isn't good enough anymore, and rarely does anyone make use of any of the things unique about the job. Helices are strong and a high point of the job, but I can't think of much else that gets good use in abyssea. Scholar was at the peak of its strength in old Dynamis and now it just feels like it's lagging behind a bit, simply because it doesn't offer much that no one else can do.

remove the 15% damage penalty on Avatar's Favor.

It's not a % damage penalty, it's attack and magic attack minus. The physical attack loss is almost unnoticeable; just build for that if you want to use Favor.

[Malamasala]

Seriously what is up with SE and SAM? I thought it wasn't getting any more updates because it was too strong. That is what SE said at the last Vandafest or whatever it is called. It is so obnoxious, SAM is the last job that needs anything, along with war and mnk. I just hope the samwagon and SAM only shouts don't return like during the Nyzul/TP burn era.

WAR, MNK, SAM, BLM, SCH, WHM, PLD is more or less jobs that don't need anything more. They are so incredibly spoiled both with armor selection and updates.

[Leonlionheart]

WAR, MNK, SAM, BLM, SCH, WHM, PLD is more or less jobs that don't need anything more. They are so incredibly spoiled both with armor selection and updates.

Why is PLD on that list lol, no job needs more work

The rest I agree with though, other than maybe SAM and SCH since they both get sidelined for WAR and BLM or WHM.