[dev1017] Job Adjustments and Refinements

[Korpg]

I have capped skill on war but not capped accuracy. WAR gets 20+12+7 accuracy in gear, SMN gets at most like 18... They have the same skill.

Edit: fighting general NMs for red in most situations.

Don't forget Blue. WARs have as much Blue procs total than any other job, if you include ALL blue procs. Yeah, they suck at piercing, but if you are going to proc blue and have a WAR available, you have a good chance as any with Slashing as most other jobs available (PLD and DRK has almost as many procs, they don't have GA or Axe procs, but they have 1 more GS and Scythe/sword procs than WAR).

[Malamasala]

I have capped skill on war but not capped accuracy. WAR gets 20+12+7 accuracy in gear, SMN gets at most like 18... They have the same skill.

Edit: fighting general NMs for red in most situations.

Well, what do you mean with capped accuracy? I whiff a lot on the high level THF mobs. I hit most hits on everything else on my DNC. My DNC wears less accuracy gear than my SMN, but they are of course B+ vs B in skill difference.

And where do you get 18 accuracy in gear from anyway? There are plenty of accuracy gear, the question is if you want to drop -perp for them. Peacock charm alone is 10 accuracy. One accuracy ring is often 7-8. Tiphia sting is like 2 I believe. And we are still not removing any -perp gear yet. You can get 10 accuracy on the legs slot, which otherwise is at best 1 refresh. Swapping out the head piece loses you another 2 refresh, but grants you some 15 acc or so.

If you just don't mind losing some low speed MP regain, you can get good accuracy for Myrkr Tping. I've still not seen that good selection of haste gear though.

[Korpg]

Probably take him a couple of days to fix the parses so it shows him outdamaging Ukon WARs at least 3 to 1.

[Korpg]

Still taking my words out of context?

You know, you like to throw words together other people say, just to make you look good.

And yes, I still enjoy Ducal Guard. What's wrong with having an atma that would make physical damage taken go down to 12% of what it would hit a normal player for? Makes soloing Alfred that much easier, although no procs means very little drops. Doubt you could say you can solo anything harder than a bee in West Saru.

[Dallas]

And yes, I still enjoy Ducal Guard.

That atma was discovered as a byproduct of the pursuit of a better melee SMN. You should be thankful that someone out here does ignore the theorycrafters.

[Korpg]

That atma was discovered as a byproduct of the pursuit of a better melee SMN. You should be thankful that someone out here does ignore the theorycrafters.

Ok, how so? How was Ducal Guard "discovered" as a byproduct when the 3 things it does is purely defensive purposes only?

Guard damge -: Superior? When does melee SMN have guard skill at all? Before you answer, yes, I know that avatars have 100% guard on it, but that is besides the point. Why would any melee SMN look into that when they don't have that skill at all?

Less than 50% HP, Damage taken -50%? Only time you really see that come to play is when you have hate, and you are NOT supposed to have hate at all. Anybody with a brain can realize that SMN + death = no avatar. Since before the nerf (and after) the second portion of the atma couldn't be actually seen (even at 100% health the guard damage reduced the damage down to 0-3 damage per hit, kindof hard to tell a 50% reduction of damage taken at 50% health when the damage stays the same).

Movement speed down at less than 50%? WTF?

I think you are just throwing that out to say "I discovered this so you better bow down to me and love me!" Since you are the only melee SMN out there.

[Dallas]

Ok, how so? How was Ducal Guard "discovered" as a byproduct when the 3 things it does is purely defensive purposes only?

Because I'm the only SMN who mastered the job well enough to figure out how to make the tank build work. Outside of Abyssea, the idea failed. Inside, I was already meleeing IT mobs with my tank build pre-DG. DG was a natural progression for me on a path that you won't be following.

You are a nuisance already. I don't want you to bow down to me. I want your presence to reflect your influence.

[Korpg]

Because I'm the only SMN who mastered the job well enough to figure out how to make the tank build work. Outside of Abyssea, the idea failed. Inside, I was already meleeing IT mobs with my tank build pre-DG. DG was a natural progression for me on a path that you won't be following.

You were meleeing IT mobs with a tank build? Wait, does SMN even HAVE a tank build? Are you now saying that a SMN can tank better than a PLD?

Of course outside of abyssea the idea will fail, SMNs are not tanks. Besides, you didn't master anything if you have such a narrow minded view of the job that its "my way or highway" attitude towards anyone who isn't you.

Congratulations on meleeing IT mobs, want a cookie? While it would take you what, 3 minutes to kill an IT mob, I can do the same as a non-melee SMN in less than one minute. Good for you! Plus, I wouldn't have to worry about any TP moves either, because the mob dies in less time it take for it to use more than 1 TP move. That's because, well, I'm not feeding it TP like you are.

You are a nuisance already. I don't want you to bow down to me. I want your presence to reflect your influence.

I'm here to "dethrone the king" so to say. Although you are not even close to being a serf in anyone's eyes, much less a king.

[Karbuncle]

So i didn't read everything, But has Dallas provided 1 single shred of evidence to support his argument?

I personally believe SMN melee has a very very small place inside Abyssea, But I'm not delusion to think it will out DD good DD, just that it will slightly improve our over-all damage output.

But even so, Arguing non-stop while not providing even a single shred of evidence to support your argument seems like something only crazy/wrong players do. (I.E They realize they have no proof and their argument doesn't hold water but they're too proud to admit it so they act like an idiot by making fun of people against them in hopes people will eventually give up so they can save face and act like they won)

[Neisan_Quetz]

Egomania much?