[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[Leonlionheart]

When you said NIN is good for tanking weaker mobs is where you lost me, leaving me to think "OP is an idiot."

Once I think the OP is an idiot, then the rest of the thread becomes idiotic.

Maybe they tanked weaker mobs pre abyssea, but now...

Anyway if you don't like them the JAs, don't use them.

[Ravenmore]

And your droping the ball saying give up 1.5% haste is all that bad for nin when they can hit the delay cap with 60% haste. Also how was your DDs hitting acc cap at 75 on HNm or anything harder then merit crap. If you mad that nin can't hit acc cap and tank on merit mob sorry no one needed tank for that for a long time. If you mad that you can't do it on HNM then sorry no one did that before the level increase.

[wish12oz]

When you said NIN is good for tanking weaker mobs is where you lost me, leaving me to think "OP is an idiot."

So you used ninja at like, khim, tiamat, di, kb, etc before the level cap rise right? How about now, do you use ninja to tank voidwatch mobs? hows it do? Oh, you didn't do any of that since 2007? and ninja is terrible in voidwatch? oh, guess my point stands, ninja isn't a good tank for overly high level/difficulty mobs. Feel free to argue against my logic if you like, maybe provide some insight into why you think ninja is so amazing outside abyssea.

Anyway, I went to try and figure out when nin/drk became the thing to use, so I could be more precise with a time line, and I went to Rukenshins old livejournal, cause you know, he was the one that started the whole thing. And it appears the original post was from 8/28/2006, which is much much later then I was thinking. This would be the point nin/drk took off, so nin/drks time in the sun was 1 year, thats it.

[Ravenmore]

Really you believe what one player wrote on thier blog.

[wish12oz]

And your droping the ball saying give up 1.5% haste is all that bad for nin when they can hit the delay cap with 60% haste. Also how was your DDs hitting acc cap at 75 on HNm or anything harder then merit crap. If you mad that nin can't hit acc cap and tank on merit mob sorry no one needed tank for that for a long time. If you mad that you can't do it on HNM then sorry no one did that before the level increase.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/209903
This is the set you want to use.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197127
This is the set you're forced into using, with an acc magian katana and an acc ring instead of rajas. And even with it, your acc is a measly 80%

Now, tell me if you can figure out why set 1 does 15%->20% more damage then set 2 provided you have capped acc.
And if your acc is a bit low, or you need a bit of dex to cap crit rate, see if you can figure out why using af3+2 body would be better then af1+1.

Just for the record, with just haste spell, and gear, moving from 38.5% haste 50% DW to 40% haste 50% DW is a 2.5% damage increase, add march and it easily triples the gains. When you're 30% behind, adding 2.5% is a huge help.

When you understand this, and how ninja is 30% behind 2 handed melees if both are capped acc, you can come back and talk about it, until then, you should just go away before you make yourself look even worse.

Really you believe what one player wrote on thier blog.

L O L
You dunno who Rukenshin is or that he basically invented NIN/DRK and brought it to the masses, but yet you're trying to claim you're oldschool? I bet he had nothing to do with resist sets either!

[Ravenmore]

You done made your self look bad.

[Leonlionheart]

NIN does fine on the voidwatch i've done.

Suck less comes to mind

[wish12oz]

And your droping the ball saying give up 1.5% haste is all that bad for nin when they can hit the delay cap with 60% haste. Also how was your DDs hitting acc cap at 75 on HNm or anything harder then merit crap. If you mad that nin can't hit acc cap and tank on merit mob sorry no one needed tank for that for a long time. If you mad that you can't do it on HNM then sorry no one did that before the level increase.

I capped acc fine on everything other then like Kirin, without food, on WAR, at 75. And I can do the same now, on WAR. And yes, I don't think ninja or thf or dnc or blu should have to deal with the problem of giant losses of acc and damage compared to other melee jobs.

And Leon, if you're ninja does fine, you need to play with better melees and blms.

[Leonlionheart]

So you're saying that PLD keeps hate better than NIN

What game are you playing?

If NIN caps hate in 30~40s...

[Ravenmore]

I capped acc fine on everything other then like Kirin, without food, on WAR, at 75. And I can do the same now, on WAR. And yes, I don't think ninja or thf or dnc or blu should have to deal with the problem of giant losses of acc and damage compared to other melee jobs.

And Leon, if you're ninja does fine, you need to play with better melees and blms.

Really right there I know you full of it.