[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[wish12oz]

As it stands right now:
-NIN is better than DDs designed specifically for DDing

Ninja is only better inside abyssea because critical hit WS's are overpowered inside abyssea. And it's only better then 2 of them, SAM and DRK, and ONLY because those 2 jobs do not have critical hit WS's. If they changed guillotine to critical hit, DRK would be #1 with war and drg, if they gave sam a crit ws, same thing. Outside abyssea, all those jobs are better then ninja, once you are fighting mobs that are at all difficult, those jobs overtake ninja by a very very large margin, because 2 handed weapon users have a great acc and att advantage over ninja, and can use meat, further increasing this damage advantage over ninjas since they're forced to use acc food.

-PLD, designed specifically for tanking nearly never tanks

PLD is for tanking hard mobs, like the new voidwatch stuff they just added, and new dynamis NMs, and it does great. Maybe you should get out of abyssea and stop thinking thats the only thing that will ever matter?

-You, nor anyone else on these forums other than the dev's themselves, have no idea what the next full scale update will hold. Things may or may not, and most likely won't considering the direction the dev team has taken the game, become as they used to be. You have no idea, neither do I.

Actually, everyone knows what the Devs are adding, because you know, THEY TOLD US. And the difficulty of the mobs they are adding should be apparent by the mobs they just added last update. And how good the voidwatch buffs will be is apparent if you look at the current buffs they give you. This all depends on a person having common sense when looking at the presented facts though, people like you who appear to not have any seem to be completely lost, so I ask that you just believe me, ok?

NIN should probably be more than 20% away from the real DDs considering the playerbase has made it into a tank. No matter what damage it does it doesn't lose enmity very often because it almost never takes damage, while real DDs like WAR DRG DRK SAM are always taking hits, and thusly losing enmity.

Those jobs shouldn't take damage, if the ninja or paladin was properly tanking it would work out that way. And just so you know, they updated utsusemi a long time ago, losing shadows makes you lose enmity, it's just not as much as taking a bunch of damage.

NIN tanks very well with the right tools- Migawari, MDT PDT gear and a good WHM with a good BRD. Not to mention it tanks perfectly fine and deals the damage it does while PLD has high survivability but deals next to no damage.

Any mob ninja can do damage on, paladin won't be far behind on, unless your PLD is completely terrible.
And this discussion is about higher tier mobs, where ninja does NOT do good damage, even with Innin.

And how exactly does a ninja get enough enmity to tank, if it doesn't do good damage compared to the melees, I'm just curious how you think this occurs.