[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[wish12oz]

lol@people thinking ANYTHING inside abyssea counts as hard content and believes I was reffering to it.

See, the problem is, you are talking Abyssea. Wish is talking about How things were at 75, and how they will be once we move out of abyssea, and right now, the only event that is high level outside is Voidwatch which you have only spoke for T1 when wish is talking about T3-T4.

Basically, he is being preemptive, and would like to see changed made to make NIN a better tank for said events out side of abyssea. The ONLY way NIN was able to tank at all before was NIN/DRK and now, that was taken away by lowering the hate on the spells they casted to get hate.

This is correct, I am referring to how ninja was before abyssea was added, since that is what we will be back to in a bit. And yes, to anyone with half a brain, you know that we will be fighting T+ mobs, which is where ninja starts being useless, unless it gets a hefty damage/acc increase so it can KEEP UP, with other melees.

grrrrrrrrrrrrr this thread is full of fail

DD hierarchy as of right now in abyssea:

No one cares about abyssea, this is talking about when you have to fight slightly difficult mobs.

dudes if my job can't be the best in the game at multiple things why even play it

I'm not asking for it to be the best, I'm asking for it to stay within 20% of the best. If you would bother to read what I said, you would know this.

Anyway, my own experience suggests NIN's tanking isn't too awful at the moment

That's because everything right now is weak, aside from voidwatch/VT dynamis mobs/new dynamis NMs. Once we're doing that stuff regularly, and new content regularly, ninja will fall behind again to how it use to be if something isn't done to increase it's damage potential, since that's its only real way of getting hate now.

Again, my primary concern is that there is nothing wrong with a high-survivability job doing "10-30%" less potential damage than a job with low survivability

If there's nothing wrong with it, why are you trying to argue against me?
You're aware that as it stands right now, if the ninja is capped acc, capped haste, capped ddex, it sits at 30% behind right?
Once we're outside abyssea that is going to drop significantly, down to 50% or 60% behind when we're fighting hard stuff again. Unless SE does something to increase ninjas potential.

Didn't have an issue. Seriously, I wish I recorded it for you.

I wish you did too. Tell you what, go pop the puk real quick and fight it and see how you do. It's just a T1 and you should easily be able to spawn it and fight it for a few minutes.


I should of probably replied to more but meh, I would of just been repeating myself.