[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[Ravenmore]

PLD didn't get atonement till the end of ToAU, so rite there it shows how little you really know about the game or how its changed. Before then NIN/drk held more hate only way for them to pull ahead was go /rdm and do the same but give up shadows.

[wish12oz]

PLD didn't get atonement till the end of ToAU, so rite there it shows how little you really know about the game or how its changed. Before then NIN/drk held more hate only way for them to pull ahead was go /rdm and do the same but give up shadows.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, but I will do my best.

2 handed update/atonement both came at the end of of TOA, towards the end of 2007, which was SHOCK right when people stopped using nin/drk and started using pld/nin.

Wings release date: November 20, 2007 thus marking the end of TOA.
Two handed update: (08/14/2007)
Google is your friend.

Anyway, I fail to see how any of this means I dunno whats been happening. NIN/DRK was like late late 2005 at the earliest, til 2007, so MAYBE 2 years.
PLD/NIN (and rdm/nin) was from 2007, til the second abyssea expansion, which was like 6? months ago. So it's easily double or triple the time frame of being good, as the time frame for nin/drk. Who would of thought you meant before the updates to PLD JAs and the addition of atonement, I was thinking we were talking about how its been for the last FIVE YEARS and we were not talking about before the updates that made it good, since it would be silly to talk about PLD before those updates.
Want the specific answer?
PLD/WAR til sometime mid 2005, then NIN/WAR, after that switching to NIN/DRK around beginning of 2006 maybe, then PLD/NIN from mid-end of 2007 til 6 months ago, even though people were using PLD/NIN since the PLD JA update, it didn't completely take over til atonement, after abyssea expansion 2 we switched back to NIN/WAR and MNK since everything was suddenly easy.

What were we argueing again? Was it my knowledge I acquired actually doing HNMs and endgame FFXI content since 2004? oh, thats right, we were talking about why ninja is a terrible job that needs improvements. Try to stay on topic if you can.