[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[scaevola]

oh, also, re: you being a sillyhead

Innin is completely useless to anyone that knows how to play ninja. It takes all of 30-40 seconds to cap your enmity, and after that as long as you had the last action on the mob, the mob will be facing you, and ninjas attack really fast, meaning the mob will just about always be facing you meaning the only effect you get from innin is -evasion, and maybe 1 attack out of 20 you'll gain the crit rate increase from it. To fix innin you need to remove the "You must stand behind the mob" requirement from it.

If everybody caps enmity in 30 seconds and NINs tank by swinging really fast and thus perpetually being the last person to connect a hit, why do you need to do more damage to effectly tank higher-tier content?

[wish12oz]

If everybody caps enmity in 30 seconds and NINs tank by swinging really fast and thus perpetually being the last person to connect a hit, why do you need to do more damage to effectly tank higher-tier content?

Obviously, it's because on higher tier content, you can't do enough damage to cap enmity, unless you use innin, which makes the mobs face you, which makes innin not work anymore and makes the mob face away from you again. Or, if the mob is to high above you, even with innin your damage is so poor the mob never looks at you, and you end up being a waste of a party slot and just feeding mobs TP for no reason and should of played something else.

And you don't need to do more damage then everyone else, you need to stay on par with them, anything within 20% of everyone else is enough if you're first provoking and have any sort of +enmity. Whether the fights are short or long, this is how it works. If the fights are short, no one will ever get drastically ahead of you enough to pull hate, and if they do it will be with a WS, and the mob will die right after. And if the fights are long, you'll all cap hate at about the same time, and then it's all about you attacking fast and always connecting. If you don't understand such simple game mechanics, maybe that's where you should start reading. Instead of coming into this thread with a lack of understanding and trying to argue against stuff you don't even understand I suggest reading up about it somewhere.

But again, you could just eat a pizza, cap your accuracy, and tank fine with capped haste/dw because the mob's attacking the last guy that hit it, per your Innin crying, right?

I really do think you're just crying because Voidwatch almost sort of looks like PLD caught a break.

You can't eat pizza and stay on par with the other melees, acc food is stupid and pizza wouldn't even cap your accuracy. Why don't you get this?

And I do Voidwatch on WAR or DRK, thanks, I make the ochain tank. And if it dies I tank on WAR or DRK, because even if I was on ninja, I wouldn't have hate, and having hate over the BLMs is important, ninja can't get there, war and drk easily do. If it was feasible at all to bring ninja, I would do it, but ninja is a waste of a party slot and doesn't do enough damage to justify the tp it gives the mobs. Other jobs have much better damage/tp ratios, as well as just plain doing 20x more then a ninja, and can at least hold hate if the ochain dies. Where as ninja couldn't even get hate if the ochain dies, so all that evasion and those shadows it has are useless.

[scaevola]

Obviously, it's because on higher tier content, you can't do enough damage to cap enmity,

lol

HEAR THAT, PLDS?

[wish12oz]

lol

HEAR THAT, PLDS?

Cause PLD cap enmity only through damage amirite!? It's not like they use JAs, or Flash or any of that, whats ninja have again? oh ya, provoke.
Did you even read that whole paragraph I wrote, or did you just not get it?

Here I'll post it again for you since you don't seem to understand.

Obviously, it's because on higher tier content, you can't do enough damage to cap enmity, unless you use innin, which makes the mobs face you, which makes innin not work anymore and makes the mob face away from you again. Or, if the mob is to high above you, even with innin your damage is so poor the mob never looks at you, and you end up being a waste of a party slot and just feeding mobs TP for no reason and should of played something else.