[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[Brigandier]

The buffs proposed would only make ninja closer to being on even footing on easy mobs in terms of damage it can deal when compared to the top tier Melees.

It's hard to convey my tone through text, so please read this in a very serious and not trolling/being hateful way lol. Ninja has always been the job where either half the people cry that they can't DD with the top tier DDs, or they can't tank with the PLDs and RDMs (or sometimes they even want both). You even have some hilarious instances where people complain about ninjutsu nukes being useless compared to other nuking jobs. I can agree that our current niche is DD tanking, but there are several other jobs that can /NIN up and do the same such as THF or DNC (on the same medium grade mobs we tank, that is).

I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome improvements to Ninja, I am just saying that I doubt SE wants to bring it up to that level. After all, they've already nailed us with an A- rating on Katana, the weapon only NINs can use. It's almost like they said "let's make a job that does everything, just not as well as jobs that specialize".

NINJA EDIT: I also played WHM back in the day RDMs were making it look stupid, but SE actually stepped up and added more oomph and gave WHM its niche back; unfortunately, now RDM seems to be back burnered much the way NIN used to be. What do?

[wish12oz]

It's hard to convey my tone through text, so please read this in a very serious and not trolling/being hateful way lol. Ninja has always been the job where either half the people cry that they can't DD with the top tier DDs, or they can't tank with the PLDs and RDMs (or sometimes they even want both).

I want both, back before the tp floor nerf, dual wield nerf, and 2 handed update, NIN had both. Us oldschool people want it back, not to be that way for the first time. PLD should be more for mobs you want a tank on when you can't deal with it having lots of TP, and need lots of defensive abilities and to absorb most of the mobs damage. Ninja is the tank that should be used when mob TP isn't of much importance and you need something to absorb a lot of damage. For a short period of time, this is how it actually worked, and if they just increased NINs damage potential a bit we could have it back, provided whoever is playing the ninja is good at it.

EDIT::: WAR is the tank when damage taken just plain doesn't matter =3

I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome improvements to Ninja, I am just saying that I doubt SE wants to bring it up to that level. After all, they've already nailed us with an A- rating on Katana, the weapon only NINs can use. It's almost like they said "let's make a job that does everything, just not as well as jobs that specialize".

Ninja has A- Katana because it was a balance issue, because they got so many A skills, they didn't want to make any of them A+, but they wanted them all to be high, so they got a bunch of A-'s.

NINJA EDIT: I also played WHM back in the day RDMs were making it look stupid, but SE actually stepped up and added more oomph and gave WHM its niche back; unfortunately, now RDM seems to be back burnered much the way NIN used to be. What do?

WHM was never really bad, you just didn't need cure 5, and when you did, people brought WHMs, like they brought them to HNMs. RDM is the same right now, if you need the enhanced enfeebling ability or increased MP it offers, people bring them, like to voidwatch.