[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[Ravenmore]

Way earlier then 2007, before it was drk it was brd/nin and nin/brd. There was also a time when shadows block all spells and you were retarded to bring anything but nin to tank.

[wish12oz]

Way earlier then 2007, before it was drk it was brd/nin and nin/brd. There was also a time when shadows block all spells and you were retarded to bring anything but nin to tank.

/brd tanking was with the introduction of raptor mazurka, which was way after /drk, for someone who claims to be all knowledgeable, you dropped the ball there. It was also nerfed before much came of it, so who cares.

Also, people didn't actually use ninja tanks much before shadows were nerfed in that way.

Would you like to try again? Or concede that you actually have nothing worthwhile to contribute?

[Habiki]

/brd tanking was with the introduction of raptor mazurka, which was way after /drk, for someone who claims to be all knowledgeable, you dropped the ball there. It was also nerfed before much came of it, so who cares.

Also, people didn't actually use ninja tanks much before shadows were nerfed in that way.

Would you like to try again? Or concede that you actually have nothing worthwhile to contribute?

Bard tanking died with the introduction of rapture mazurka, thats when they adjusted the hate gained from mazurka type spells.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That was like 2005 when that (utsusemei blocking any spell) got nerfed, probably earlier. Shield blocks blocking all damage was also nerfed around that year, or a little earlier.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I did hear of Nin soloing KB at 50(?) cap due to Meteor being absorbed by 1 shadow, which might have convinced SE to nerf it when they did.

Or so I heard.

[Leonlionheart]

When you said NIN is good for tanking weaker mobs is where you lost me, leaving me to think "OP is an idiot."

Once I think the OP is an idiot, then the rest of the thread becomes idiotic.

Maybe they tanked weaker mobs pre abyssea, but now...

Anyway if you don't like them the JAs, don't use them.

[wish12oz]

When you said NIN is good for tanking weaker mobs is where you lost me, leaving me to think "OP is an idiot."

So you used ninja at like, khim, tiamat, di, kb, etc before the level cap rise right? How about now, do you use ninja to tank voidwatch mobs? hows it do? Oh, you didn't do any of that since 2007? and ninja is terrible in voidwatch? oh, guess my point stands, ninja isn't a good tank for overly high level/difficulty mobs. Feel free to argue against my logic if you like, maybe provide some insight into why you think ninja is so amazing outside abyssea.

Anyway, I went to try and figure out when nin/drk became the thing to use, so I could be more precise with a time line, and I went to Rukenshins old livejournal, cause you know, he was the one that started the whole thing. And it appears the original post was from 8/28/2006, which is much much later then I was thinking. This would be the point nin/drk took off, so nin/drks time in the sun was 1 year, thats it.

[Ravenmore]

And your droping the ball saying give up 1.5% haste is all that bad for nin when they can hit the delay cap with 60% haste. Also how was your DDs hitting acc cap at 75 on HNm or anything harder then merit crap. If you mad that nin can't hit acc cap and tank on merit mob sorry no one needed tank for that for a long time. If you mad that you can't do it on HNM then sorry no one did that before the level increase.

[wish12oz]

And your droping the ball saying give up 1.5% haste is all that bad for nin when they can hit the delay cap with 60% haste. Also how was your DDs hitting acc cap at 75 on HNm or anything harder then merit crap. If you mad that nin can't hit acc cap and tank on merit mob sorry no one needed tank for that for a long time. If you mad that you can't do it on HNM then sorry no one did that before the level increase.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/209903
This is the set you want to use.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197127
This is the set you're forced into using, with an acc magian katana and an acc ring instead of rajas. And even with it, your acc is a measly 80%

Now, tell me if you can figure out why set 1 does 15%->20% more damage then set 2 provided you have capped acc.
And if your acc is a bit low, or you need a bit of dex to cap crit rate, see if you can figure out why using af3+2 body would be better then af1+1.

Just for the record, with just haste spell, and gear, moving from 38.5% haste 50% DW to 40% haste 50% DW is a 2.5% damage increase, add march and it easily triples the gains. When you're 30% behind, adding 2.5% is a huge help.

When you understand this, and how ninja is 30% behind 2 handed melees if both are capped acc, you can come back and talk about it, until then, you should just go away before you make yourself look even worse.

Really you believe what one player wrote on thier blog.

L O L
You dunno who Rukenshin is or that he basically invented NIN/DRK and brought it to the masses, but yet you're trying to claim you're oldschool? I bet he had nothing to do with resist sets either!

[Ravenmore]

Really you believe what one player wrote on thier blog.