[dev1017] Yonin/Innin

[Ravenmore]

It was the same before the 2hander update since the best exp mob in the game took pircing dmg like thier was no tomarrow, sams used polearms drgs got acc JTs. Or how bout the 5 years beore the 2hander update duel weild was king.

Also SE nerfing /drk makes thier postion clear.

[wish12oz]

It was the same before the 2hander update since the best exp mob in the game took pircing dmg like thier was no tomarrow, sams used polearms drgs got acc JTs. Or how bout the 5 years beore the 2hander update duel weild was king.

So because dual wielding was better for 2-3 years, that means it being inferior for the last 5 and continuing this on into the future forever is ok? How about we just balance it out so they do the same amount. Piercing weak mobs have nothing to do with this conversation.

And ya, /drk nerf, ninja get hate from being first provoke, and doing decent damage. If they don't do decent damage they don't tank, and ninja cannot do decent damage compared to other melees on anything above tough, and needs this looked at, end of discussion.

[Ravenmore]

You have no idea how /drk and could cap hate faster then a JA spaming pld. Back before the nerf to spells like sleep bind poision if you were not /drk on HNM you failed.

[wish12oz]

You have no idea how /drk and could cap hate faster then a JA spaming pld. Back before the nerf to spells like sleep bind poision if you were not /drk on HNM you failed.

If you brought ninjas you failed, PLD held hate better, had more defensive abilities and did more damage (atonement says hi)

BTW, is this you: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Phoenix/Scaevola ?
nice ninja.

[Ravenmore]

PLD didn't get atonement till the end of ToAU, so rite there it shows how little you really know about the game or how its changed. Before then NIN/drk held more hate only way for them to pull ahead was go /rdm and do the same but give up shadows.

[wish12oz]

PLD didn't get atonement till the end of ToAU, so rite there it shows how little you really know about the game or how its changed. Before then NIN/drk held more hate only way for them to pull ahead was go /rdm and do the same but give up shadows.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, but I will do my best.

2 handed update/atonement both came at the end of of TOA, towards the end of 2007, which was SHOCK right when people stopped using nin/drk and started using pld/nin.

Wings release date: November 20, 2007 thus marking the end of TOA.
Two handed update: (08/14/2007)
Google is your friend.

Anyway, I fail to see how any of this means I dunno whats been happening. NIN/DRK was like late late 2005 at the earliest, til 2007, so MAYBE 2 years.
PLD/NIN (and rdm/nin) was from 2007, til the second abyssea expansion, which was like 6? months ago. So it's easily double or triple the time frame of being good, as the time frame for nin/drk. Who would of thought you meant before the updates to PLD JAs and the addition of atonement, I was thinking we were talking about how its been for the last FIVE YEARS and we were not talking about before the updates that made it good, since it would be silly to talk about PLD before those updates.
Want the specific answer?
PLD/WAR til sometime mid 2005, then NIN/WAR, after that switching to NIN/DRK around beginning of 2006 maybe, then PLD/NIN from mid-end of 2007 til 6 months ago, even though people were using PLD/NIN since the PLD JA update, it didn't completely take over til atonement, after abyssea expansion 2 we switched back to NIN/WAR and MNK since everything was suddenly easy.

What were we argueing again? Was it my knowledge I acquired actually doing HNMs and endgame FFXI content since 2004? oh, thats right, we were talking about why ninja is a terrible job that needs improvements. Try to stay on topic if you can.

[Ravenmore]

Way earlier then 2007, before it was drk it was brd/nin and nin/brd. There was also a time when shadows block all spells and you were retarded to bring anything but nin to tank.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That was like 2005 when that (utsusemei blocking any spell) got nerfed, probably earlier. Shield blocks blocking all damage was also nerfed around that year, or a little earlier.

[wish12oz]

Way earlier then 2007, before it was drk it was brd/nin and nin/brd. There was also a time when shadows block all spells and you were retarded to bring anything but nin to tank.

/brd tanking was with the introduction of raptor mazurka, which was way after /drk, for someone who claims to be all knowledgeable, you dropped the ball there. It was also nerfed before much came of it, so who cares.

Also, people didn't actually use ninja tanks much before shadows were nerfed in that way.

Would you like to try again? Or concede that you actually have nothing worthwhile to contribute?

[Neisan_Quetz]

I did hear of Nin soloing KB at 50(?) cap due to Meteor being absorbed by 1 shadow, which might have convinced SE to nerf it when they did.

Or so I heard.