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    Player Kotomei's Avatar
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    Kotomei
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    Shiva
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    SCH Lv 99

    Ideal build for Rudra's storm

    I was looking for any suggestions to maximize my Rudra build.

    Main/sub: Twashtar/Triplus
    Ammo: Qirmiz Tathlum
    Head: Anwig Salade(+4DEX/STR 15WS ACC Crit. hit damage +2%)
    Neck: Spike necklace
    Earrings: Thunder Pearl x2
    Body: Loki's Kaftan
    Hands: Raider's Armlets +1(Still waiting to +2 these)
    Rings:Thundersoul Ring x2
    Back:Nifty Mantle
    Waist: Cuchulain's Belt
    Legs: Tumbler Trunks
    Feet: Lithe Boots

    75+13STR
    472ATT
    99+76DEX
    89+17AGI

    I use this set for SA and TA Rudra.
    I feel most of my set is fine for SA Rudra except for neck, legs, back, and feet.

    I know that Hecatomb +1 would be best choice for legs but my ls does not do Einherjar or camp fafhogg.

    Neck is iffy. Love torque is currently out of my reach unless my endgame ls does sea. I have been debating between elemental torque or keep using spike until I end up with a love torque or SE releases something better.

    I have also wondered about Agasaya's torque because of the +8 attack. I do not know if DEX has a cap for SA or Rudra.

    I am also wanted to know if this WS set is good for TA Rudra as well.
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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Feet are actually fine. If i remember correctly DEX+6 on Lithe boots is the highest +DEX You can get on feet as THF (?? I don't remember). Now much can replace that.

    Your neck, Kubira Bead Necklace would be a decent upgrade. STR+4 DEX+4, from Einherjar.

    May also consider "Shifting Necklace", though i think Kubira would be better.

    Finally, I'm not sure how WS-gorgets hold up on Dagger Weaponskills... Its only 0.1ftp additional. So if stacked with Sneak Attack i think even a Spike Necklace would be better for Rudra's... But i'm uncertain, Wait for further advice.
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    Even though Rudras is heavily dex modded, stacking it won't always produce max performance, specially inside abyssea. The problem is that everything related to increasing the ws damage has decreasing returns ( attack, ws mods, ftp increases, multi hits, you name it), and the stat that certainly gets hurt the most inside abyss is dex. So, well, an option to achieve max performance is balancing things out. Based on this, the most critical changes to your set are on ear, ring and back, wearing brutal earring, epona's ring and atheling mantle instead. Those dex bonuses can't really beat the multi hit increase from these items.

    Your neck isn't perfect too, but the single best option is love torque, and you say that's unreachable for now. Getting either agasaya or a sea torque works, as they really are the next best thing. I would go with sea torque until the day you do get a love torque though (or se gives us something better), because agasayas is limited to uncapped attack situations (which aren't rare for thf/nin, but still...).

    Oh yeah, the usual Rudras set works for both TARudras and SARudras. Stacking agi isn't as good as stacking dex when it comes to this ws (like most of our ws anyway).
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    Last edited by Laphine; 04-04-2011 at 11:39 AM.

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    Player Svith's Avatar
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    Svith
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    I personally don't have Rudra's Storm currently, but i can tell you right now, even with a 60% dex modifier, you would do well to add more STR. On my thief i have more STR than DEX, and that's how i've always played it for big damage. My reasoning behind it? STR vs VIT check decides your damage before dex or anything even comes into play.
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    The STR vs VIT check that defines the fSTR is used along with the weapon damage and the ws mods to calculate the base damage of a ws.
    For Rudras str and dex works this way:
    4 dex= ~2 base damage and doesn't cap.
    4 str=1 base damage and caps at +13 damage.
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    Player Gotterdammerung's Avatar
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    Fusetto +2 (+100 TP) offhand would add a major boost to WS dmg if thats all u cared about.
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    Player Alukat's Avatar
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    Alukat
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    THF Lv 99
    For every 2 points STR increase a character has, his/her attack and Ranged Attack value is raised by 1 point. However, when using a Two-Handed Weapon, for every 4 points of STR, your attack value is raised by about 3 (.75 per one point of STR).

    wasn't it 2 str = 1 base dmg? for single handed
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    Darrka
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    It's 4-6 STR for 1D, it's called fSTR, and has a cap determined by weapon rank, D/9+8 = upper cap.

    1fSTR is effectively 1 D. Stacking STR isn't going to show you any high numbers, DEX/attack are your best bets for consistent damage.
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    Dear SE, can my character be black? I find this pro-white to be offensive.

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    Player Alukat's Avatar
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    ah u talked about fstr ^^
    hmm a simple testing could help.
    ws with spike necklace and check dmg.
    then ws w/o any necklace and use this formula:
    (dmg/325)*335 this should show u the dmg with sea gorget, if it is above spike necklace use sea gorget,if not stay at spike necklace.

    Edit: outside abyssea i have higher Mercy stroke damage with spike necklace as with sea gorget.
    and inside abyssea sea gorget dmg is higher as with spike necklace.
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    Last edited by Alukat; 04-30-2011 at 10:45 PM.

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    Shumo
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    Redo Anwig and get DEX+4 Increases Critical Hit Damage (+2%) / AGI+4 Increases weapon skill damage (+2%) as augments. Lots of Twashtar Thieves (myself included) tend to prefer Atheling Mantle/Epona's Ring for Rudra's Storm for the chance of extra hit(s) on the WS, additional attack over Nifty is welcomed as well. Fusetto is useless as TP bonus does not apply if used offhand. Moonshade Earring is a nice alternative as well, with Attack+4 and TP Bonus +25 as augments.
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