Why close thief petition thread

[CrAZYVIC]

I think you are overcomplicating this test . I am still waiting on Character Restoration service so I cannot do this myself...


...but I found one that Laphine did by one shotting starter level mobs and comparing expected TP returns per 10 kills right after the December 2010 update.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...40656147942683

Not is comparable his test vs my deep test.

I used the STP gear was need exactly for prove the diference DW1 and DW2.
I parsed the 40 mobs fights and was used FFXI calculator for calculate the STP Gear needed.

If you want believe in very superficial test up to you.

I dont will discuss anymore about if we have DW1 or DW2. My test not was maked with 200 - 300 mobs i know, but is a lot more deep than these one with lv 10 mobs, without parse and without compare a true DW1 vs DW2, i used everything was needed in my test.

Is very simple and silly test if we have DW1 and DW2. Open the FFXI caculator go to the delay option, put there your weapons delay, check the STP need for DW1 and DW2, log in in ffxi, get the gear need with your thief and hit something with STP gear thief/x and thief/dnc. You will see notice the diference. (Personally i dont like this kind superficial tests, that is the reason for i wasted about 1 hour of my time parsing and do a deep test)

Another quick note i want add. The guy maked ffxi calculator "Is a god in ffxi maths" In the last version of his program he did not add DW2 for thief, i trust on him because his program is a wonderfull thing for help us know our delay, stp gear, skill caps, and lot of more usefull things

[Byrth]

You can't "use STP gear" to prove the difference between DW1 and 2. DW level determines your base TP/hit. Base TP/hit is multiplied by STP to determine your new TP/hit. STP gear can do nothing but confuse the test.

PS. Thanks Eeek!

[CrAZYVIC]

You can't "use STP gear" to prove the difference between DW1 and 2. DW level determines your base TP/hit. Base TP/hit is multiplied by STP to determine your new TP/hit. STP gear can do nothing but confuse the test.

PS. Thanks Eeek!

Ok with 25% haste on gear and suppa and DW +3 body. You need 9 STP for receive 5 tp per hit with DW1
With the same gear using Thief/dnc DW2 DW level determines your base TP/hit. Base TP/hit is multiplied by STP to determine your new TP/hit You need 12 STP for receive 5 tp per hit DW level determines your base TP/hit.

And on my parse you can see the diference the hits Thief/x vs thief/dancer. Is all ^^

A quick note for you. all i was saying about dancer is: Dancer have more offensive tools than thief, and ninja have access /war having the Utsusemi shadows protection.

A good thief can keep up with any job. And the ideas of atomic skull and karbuncle was awesome ideas.

[Nebo]

Not is comparable his test vs my deep test.

The way you tested though doesn't make much sense. His test is better because it is simpler and there are no variables that can confuse the results.

Parsing for hours isn't relevant for this kind of test either. TP per hit is not variable. This is math. 10 swings will tell you exactly what you need to know.

STP gear, DW gear, Haste gear....whatever gear you are trying to make relevant to this test is irrelevant. You should be doing this naked and on starter level mobs.

This way you can compare Tp/hit x 10 and get the exact results of tp per hit and make valid comparisons. Is it simple? Absolutley. But the most simplified version you can get of the information without all these other crazy variables you are adding to the test is the best way to do it

[CrAZYVIC]

The way you tested though doesn't make much sense. His test is better because it is simpler and there are no variables that can confuse the results.

STP gear, DW gear, Haste gear....whatever gear you are trying to make relevant to this test is irrelevant. You should be doing this naked and on starter level mobs.

Like how i did say i dont will discuss anymore this with you. But i wanted do a test with a realistic Tp gear with capped haste, and with usefull items, and in my Tp gear that is amount of STp i was need. And if a parse showing you the diference the Rounds not is enough fine ^^ think what do you want and believe what do you want.

[Nebo]

Like how i did say i dont will discuss anymore this with you. But i wanted do a test with a realistic Tp gear with capped haste, and with usefull items, and in my Tp gear that is amount of STp i was need.

Just because you wanted to do a test with certain gear does not mean that was a good way to test whether or not THF gets DW1 or DW2.

You were not testing gear sets. You were testing job traits. Your testing method is flawed and therefore so are the results.

I have no particular desire to argue that with you either if you can't see it for yourself.

Edit:
Not to mention the fact that you were testing numerous battles agaisnt enemies that were most definitely hitting you during the course of your test. Getting hit = TP given.

[Byrth]

Here is a simple test:
1) Take two 190 delay daggers
2) Remove all Dual Wield and Store TP gear, Go THF/BLM, and go to a starter city.
3) Hit 10 monsters (10 swings) and look at your TP.
- If it's 49 TP, Thief has Dual Wield 1. If it's 48, Thief has Dual Wield 2. -
4) Cast Warp

Depending where you set your homepoint and how good your travel options are, this test could take anywhere between 3 and 15 minutes. I chose 190 because it's a common dagger delay.

[Karbuncle]

its dual Wield II: Screenshots here.

First picture shows the 10 hits i landed:
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...7-39-26-84.jpg

Second Picture shows my TP:
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...7-38-46-02.jpg

Shut up about it! >:0

(P.S: Those aren't my actual graphics. I just noticed they look like vomit)
(P.P.S: I provided the first SS to show all 10 hits, and to show Twilight Knife didn't proc. Offhand is Kila+2 (Delay 190))

[Alaik]

But the person who wants to use sTP/DW gear says it's DW1 so how DARE you use long-standing scientific principles like Occam's Razor to say it's DW2. How dare you!

[Darka]

Ok with 25% haste on gear and suppa and DW +3 body. You need 9 STP for receive 5 tp per hit with DW1
With the same gear using Thief/dnc DW2 DW level determines your base TP/hit. Base TP/hit is multiplied by STP to determine your new TP/hit You need 12 STP for receive 5 tp per hit DW level determines your base TP/hit.

And on my parse you can see the diference the hits Thief/x vs thief/dancer. Is all ^^

A quick note for you. all i was saying about dancer is: Dancer have more offensive tools than thief, and ninja have access /war having the Utsusemi shadows protection.

A good thief can keep up with any job. And the ideas of atomic skull and karbuncle was awesome ideas.

Byrth's testing method is the standard used for testing DW and MA values, with 10 hits regardless of decimal tp values you'll end up with a round number, that and you may want to recheck your "STP values". With two 190 daggers (unless I'm reading something wrong here) with THF/DNC, Suppanomimi and DW3 body, it takes 7STP to round up to 5.0, not 12, it takes 12 with /NIN (DW3). Way to discredit your own test (aside from using STP being ridiculous in the first place).