Why close thief petition thread

[CrAZYVIC]

Just did a quick test.

Thief / X i parsed 20 battles on thief/x and 20 battles thf/dnc vs lesser colibri. DW items used Body +3 and suppa. triplus/rapidus stp gear used rajas, hoard ring and brutal

Store tp on gear needed for receive 5 tp per hit is "9". Rajas brutal and hoard ring was enough for DW1 thief/x

Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg #
100,00 % 539/0 100,00 % 100,00 % 0/153 115,46 115,46 1

Now thief / Dancer, Same gear but i need 12 STP on gear for receive 5 tp per hit. With rajas, hoard and brutal some times i receive 4 tp per hit.

Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg
100,00 % 558/0 100,00 % 100,00 % 0/143 105,56 105,56




Thf/x 539 hits
Thief/dancer 558 hits

The DW thief receive is DW1, with the small test and with the Store tp gear needed we can see it clear

[Nebo]

Just did a quick test.

Thief / X i parsed 20 battles on thief/x and 20 battles thf/dnc vs lesser colibri. DW items used Body +3 and suppa. triplus/rapidus stp gear used rajas, hoard ring and brutal

Store tp on gear needed for receive 5 tp per hit is "9". Rajas brutal and hoard ring was enough for DW1 thief/x

Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg #
100,00 % 539/0 100,00 % 100,00 % 0/153 115,46 115,46 1

Now thief / Dancer, Same gear but i need 12 STP on gear for receive 5 tp per hit. With rajas, hoard and brutal some times i receive 4 tp per hit.

Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg
100,00 % 558/0 100,00 % 100,00 % 0/143 105,56 105,56




Thf/x 539 hits
Thief/dancer 558 hits

The DW thief receive is DW1, with the small test and with the Store tp gear needed we can see it clear

I think you are overcomplicating this test . I am still waiting on Character Restoration service so I cannot do this myself...


...but I found one that Laphine did by one shotting starter level mobs and comparing expected TP returns per 10 kills right after the December 2010 update.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...40656147942683

[CrAZYVIC]

I think you are overcomplicating this test . I am still waiting on Character Restoration service so I cannot do this myself...


...but I found one that Laphine did by one shotting starter level mobs and comparing expected TP returns per 10 kills right after the December 2010 update.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...40656147942683

Not is comparable his test vs my deep test.

I used the STP gear was need exactly for prove the diference DW1 and DW2.
I parsed the 40 mobs fights and was used FFXI calculator for calculate the STP Gear needed.

If you want believe in very superficial test up to you.

I dont will discuss anymore about if we have DW1 or DW2. My test not was maked with 200 - 300 mobs i know, but is a lot more deep than these one with lv 10 mobs, without parse and without compare a true DW1 vs DW2, i used everything was needed in my test.

Is very simple and silly test if we have DW1 and DW2. Open the FFXI caculator go to the delay option, put there your weapons delay, check the STP need for DW1 and DW2, log in in ffxi, get the gear need with your thief and hit something with STP gear thief/x and thief/dnc. You will see notice the diference. (Personally i dont like this kind superficial tests, that is the reason for i wasted about 1 hour of my time parsing and do a deep test)

Another quick note i want add. The guy maked ffxi calculator "Is a god in ffxi maths" In the last version of his program he did not add DW2 for thief, i trust on him because his program is a wonderfull thing for help us know our delay, stp gear, skill caps, and lot of more usefull things

[Nebo]

Not is comparable his test vs my deep test.

The way you tested though doesn't make much sense. His test is better because it is simpler and there are no variables that can confuse the results.

Parsing for hours isn't relevant for this kind of test either. TP per hit is not variable. This is math. 10 swings will tell you exactly what you need to know.

STP gear, DW gear, Haste gear....whatever gear you are trying to make relevant to this test is irrelevant. You should be doing this naked and on starter level mobs.

This way you can compare Tp/hit x 10 and get the exact results of tp per hit and make valid comparisons. Is it simple? Absolutley. But the most simplified version you can get of the information without all these other crazy variables you are adding to the test is the best way to do it

[CrAZYVIC]

The way you tested though doesn't make much sense. His test is better because it is simpler and there are no variables that can confuse the results.

STP gear, DW gear, Haste gear....whatever gear you are trying to make relevant to this test is irrelevant. You should be doing this naked and on starter level mobs.

Like how i did say i dont will discuss anymore this with you. But i wanted do a test with a realistic Tp gear with capped haste, and with usefull items, and in my Tp gear that is amount of STp i was need. And if a parse showing you the diference the Rounds not is enough fine ^^ think what do you want and believe what do you want.

[Nebo]

Like how i did say i dont will discuss anymore this with you. But i wanted do a test with a realistic Tp gear with capped haste, and with usefull items, and in my Tp gear that is amount of STp i was need.

Just because you wanted to do a test with certain gear does not mean that was a good way to test whether or not THF gets DW1 or DW2.

You were not testing gear sets. You were testing job traits. Your testing method is flawed and therefore so are the results.

I have no particular desire to argue that with you either if you can't see it for yourself.

Edit:
Not to mention the fact that you were testing numerous battles agaisnt enemies that were most definitely hitting you during the course of your test. Getting hit = TP given.