Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Alhanelem]

After they bumped PUP's Hand-to-Hand skill up from C- to B- while the cap was still 75, they met the required skill level for Asurun Fists. Your argument is invalid on that...

Uh, no, that doesn't invalidate my argument. But whatever...

I doln't know why you all feel so entitled to this, nor do I know why you want it so bad. You've acknowledged that you probably wouldn't use it much/ever, so why are you begging for it? Asuran fists, by its very name, is built for monks. Why would anyone else learn it?

I was among the first max level PUPs on my server after it came out. I know all too well what it was like in the early days. That doesn't mean I give two farts about Asuran now. They can honestly keep it. I'll stick to Victory Smite.

[Mizuharu]

MNK can´t use the club ws Hexa Strike cuz its a WHM only ws. It's the same story.
PUP can´t use knuckles type weapons, means they can´t even use the trial weapon.
Like i already said MNK still beat PUP even if PUP had this crappy ws. MNK can use 14/15 blunt WS with any SJ, PUP 7/15 w/o a certain SJ, well u get the math i hope.
Why should ppl invite 2 or 3 more ppl just to cover all blunt ws if one job can do 93% of all ws ?

Furor Cesti
Scogan's Knuckles
Heofon Knuckles

PUP can clearly wear certain Knuckles... I'm sure it wouldn't break too many backs to have Square-Enix add PUP onto Knuckles of Trials.

Quick little question before I head off to bed... Why is everyone so against this? Besides the "lolwhytakeapupovermnk?" ordel. Does no one on this forum solo on PUP against NMs? Has no PUP on here ever thought "Jeez, too bad I can't blue stagger this NM even though it's Hand-to-Hand because I don't have Asuran Fists..." or, before I mentioned it, has any PUP ever thought about how every job besides PUP has a WSNM WS? DNC got Evisceration though it's described as a front-line healer using TP instead of MP to cure their allies. And has anyone thought about the new players to the game that can't get to Nyzul Isle due to lack of interest from the senior players?

The only reason, as someone mentioned before, that Puppetmaster did not gain access to the Asuran Fists trial was because, prior to the combat skill increase, their Hand-to-Hand combat skill rating was 225 capped at 75. After the cap was raised, they gained 31 skill levels (256). Asuran Fists quest is at 250.

Uh, no, that doesn't invalidate my argument. But whatever...

You're right, sorry. What I meant to say is that your argument was flawed.

I doln't know why you all feel so entitled to this, nor do I know why you want it so bad. You've acknowledged that you probably wouldn't use it much/ever, so why are you begging for it? Asuran fists, by its very name, is built for monks. Why would anyone else learn it?

So, in your words, because this weapon skill is centered around one job, it's impossible to involve other jobs for it. Say, isn't Decimation from Brutus, the Ex-Beastmaster that now raises Chocobos in Upper Jeuno? Why does WAR get it? The only thing they share with BSTs is that they can use Axes too. Or, for that matter, Retribution. Shantotto's a BLM. So, since the starter NPC is a BLM, shouldn't it be BLM exclusive? Or mage exclusive at the most.

The answer is simple; they meet the required skill level for the skill by level 75. And so does Puppetmaster ever since the combat rating update.

I was among the first max level PUPs on my server after it came out. I know all too well what it was like in the early days. That doesn't mean I give two farts about Asuran now. They can honestly keep it. I'll stick to Victory Smite.

Did you know there's a lack of interest in Nyzul Isle? And some puppetmasters aren't able to get a group together for making Empy relic/WOE Hand-to-Hand for Victory Smite. While I myself might not use this weapon skill because I have Stringing Pummel and Victory Smite, other Puppetmasters could use it until they obtain Stringing Pummel and/or Victory Smite rather than spamming Howling Fists.

[Ahtos]

Quick little question before I head off to bed... Why is everyone so against this? Besides the "lolwhytakeapupovermnk?" ordel. Does no one on this forum solo on PUP against NMs?

You still don´t get the point ^^ why should i solo with my PUP if i can do only 7 (well 8 with AF) blunt WS ? You just waist time if its the ws you can´t use and one more WS doesn´t mean i can proc the !! everytime. It's a 33% chance for H2H trigger and then a 20% chance for AF, or a 6% chance for AF during blunt time..... after all its not worth to waist the dev's time.

Has no PUP on here ever thought "Jeez, too bad I can't blue stagger this NM even though it's Hand-to-Hand because I don't have Asuran Fists..."

Same thing again, MNK can´t do blue !! cuz its Hexa Strike....

or, before I mentioned it, has any PUP ever thought about how every job besides PUP has a WSNM WS? DNC got Evisceration though it's described as a front-line healer using TP instead of MP to cure their allies.

I don´t care if i got a quested ws or not, PUP got SP so why should i want AF ? As WS for DMG ? no thanks. Just for a friggn possible blue !! ? even more no thanks.
Thats means DNC shouldn´t get any WS cuz its a front-line healer ? DNC can use WS and heal the pt, that isn´t so hard.

And has anyone thought about the new players to the game that can't get to Nyzul Isle due to lack of interest from the senior players?

If some ppl can´t even get 2 friends and do nyzul with them, then those ppl should think about it what they doing wrong ^^

[Mizuharu]

You still don´t get the point ^^ why should i solo with my PUP if i can do only 7 (well 8 with AF) blunt WS ? You just waist time if its the ws you can´t use and one more WS doesn´t mean i can proc the !! everytime. It's a 33% chance for H2H trigger and then a 20% chance for AF, or a 6% chance for AF during blunt time..... after all its not worth to waist the dev's time.
Same thing again, MNK can´t do blue !! cuz its Hexa Strike....
I don´t care if i got a quested ws or not, PUP got SP so why should i want AF ? As WS for DMG ? no thanks. Just for a friggn possible blue !! ? even more no thanks.
Thats means DNC shouldn´t get any WS cuz its a front-line healer ? DNC can use WS and heal the pt, that isn´t so hard.
If some ppl can´t even get 2 friends and do nyzul with them, then those ppl should think about it what they doing wrong ^^

If it was made available to PUPs though, you'd most certainly quest it, wouldn't you? See, you argue against it, but if it was made PUP accessable, you'd quest it. Just like everyone else.

[Alhanelem]

PUP can clearly wear certain Knuckles...

Very specific exceptions- and. There are always exceptions, but generally speaking PUP can't use those weapons. BLU can't use rapier swords, most jobs other than WHM and PLD can't use maul/hammer clubs... etc.- and often those exceptions are tailor made for a specific job. One or two weapons out of many should not be taken to mean "oh, it can use those!"

Has no PUP on here ever thought "Jeez, too bad I can't blue stagger this NM even though it's Hand-to-Hand because I don't have Asuran Fists..."

No, I haven't- because having one more blue !! proc doesn't change that hardcore abyssea groups won't let jobs with fewer procs go on those jobs- one more blue WS isn't going to change that. PUP doesn't proc in abyssea. If the automaton could do tier 3 and tier IV nukes of a specific element on command and automaton WS were part of the proc system, then PUP might actually get to go. But that won't happen. Sad reality of any regular abyssea group is your usefulness is determined purely by how many procs you can do. It doesn't matter how much damage you can put out (which is no longer an area PUP struggles in- one reason this ticks me off so much)- you dont have a bunch of procs, you're useless.

And has anyone thought about the new players to the game that can't get to Nyzul Isle due to lack of interest from the senior players?

You don't need a full party for nyzul anymore, and it's waaay easier than it used to be. People still need this for the mythic weaponskill quests, so it really shouldn't be that hard to find people.

The bottom line is: It might have been nice to have when we were 75 before Pummel, but now, there's not much reason to be asking for it. MNK can keep their signature move- let us get something new instead.

[Mizuharu]

Again, if it was made accessible to PUPs, you'd still quest it, yes? I havn't seen a no to that yet.

[Alhanelem]

Again, if it was made accessible to PUPs, you'd still quest it, yes? I havn't seen a no to that yet.

Probably not- I'm too lazy to invest time earning weaponskill points for a WS I'll rarely use if ever.

[Mizuharu]

Probably not- I'm too lazy to invest time earning weaponskill points for a WS I'll rarely use if ever.

Wow... Didn't know the well geared PUPs were so quick to pass off having everything for any situation.

[Ahtos]

Why should ppl waist there time and unlock a WS, if they almost never use this one ? It's a single WS and as PUP you only "need" it for a possible (!!!) blue !!. I would be ok with that if the blue trigger @night is only AF but there are 14 other WS and PUP can only use 7 (or 8 with AF w/e) of those WS.
Idk why you still ignore this fact: Only jobs are usefull in abyssea who can proc the most !! (in this case it's MNK) and PUP don´t count to those jobs, even if they had AF.
If you really want AF, lvl MNK just simple.

Wow... Didn't know the well geared PUPs were so quick to pass off having everything for any situation.

We can´t have everything for any situation or did i miss the fact we can use all weapons, all WS and we can say hello to god ?


And no i wouldn´t do the quest cuz its a almost useless WS.

[Alhanelem]

Wow... Didn't know the well geared PUPs were so quick to pass off having everything for any situation.

In what situation would I use Asuran Fists over Victory Smite or Stringing Pummel, both of which are better?

Pummel allows Darkness, and Smite can do double light. We certainly don't need it for skillchains.