PS2 Limitations: What are Rumors, What is Truth?

[JagerForrester]

Nah, once the ps2 players move on, the only limitations that would remain would be their budget.

So, let's brainstorm some ways to get the current PS2 players to change platforms.

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You guys got pitchforks?

[Juri_Licious]

So, let's brainstorm some ways to get the current PS2 players to change platforms.

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You guys got pitchforks?

I have some from the Halloween event.

[RAIST]

A question has been bugging me. If all the PS2 players left or changed platforms to where the PS2 no longer needed to be supported, would removing the PS2 from the game be possible? Or are we stuck with PS2 limitations as long as this game shall live?

There might still be some limits present in the PC version, since it was kind of just a wrapper built around the PS2 coding so it could run on the PC (in other words, the PC is kind of an emulated version of the PS2). So the PC version would likely need some rehashing to get rid of some of the legacy PS2 crud that's still in there...so it would take a while for them to get it out. On the upside though, with a new shell they could finally get away from the DX8 restrictions and code it for DX9 and actually let our new graphics cards enhance it some.

Would be nice...but not gonna hold out much hope for it anytime soon. My old v5 PS2 is still chugging along just fine...was tinkering with FF12 just now from the hard drive. As long as they are still working, peeps will still play on them I guess.

Raist

[slakyak]

Is it as easy as just binning the PS2 and cranking the graphics up?? I get the stuff about new content but I remember SE saying that FFVII with a new set of graphics would have taken longer than FFXIII to develop!

I thinks it's all Sony's fault for no supporting the PS2 games on the newer versions of the PS3 (especially when the PSX discs work!!). It's a big deal to buy a console that you can't play any of the games you've racked up over the years on. I bet there's a few of the people playing on PS2 have a PS3 in the lounge.

That said I don't think there will ever be an official release for PS3 cos of the effect on FFXIV sales, add to that the fact that they'd loose a fair number of subs if they canned the PS2 and I think that you'll see them milking the last drop out of the current systems before they even start looking at dropping anyone. Especially now they have bought some time with the HDD issue.

[Morlen]

i remember starting on ps2 years ago
i for one dont care much for LeeT graphics, it was neat, fun
only real big issue i had was lag in promies(when it was done with 18 lol) and walking through jueno, or dynamis

but for the most part, i rreally miss playing it on ps2, as opposed to my laptop, which the specs far outweigh ps2 specs
but meh, idc, let SE do whatever it wants for ps2, ill still be here, and ill glady fight alongside anyone who's on a ps2
thats a surefire way im gonna know they know what they doin, been on ps2 for that long? yea, they a veteran of the world. id play on my ps2, except it fell off the table and broke years ago, long after sony discontinued fat ps2 and HDD

so go ahead all u complainers, SE is after all, a business. and if a portion of their business is on ps2, dont EXPECT them to tell that portion to f*** off and buy another platform because "the majority of our players want better graphics and bigger zones"

have fun with the flameage! ima go get my hotdogs and a stick
and a beer










and another beer









and some marshmellows

[RAIST]

PSX is emulated quite easily in comparison to PS2. They are after all, what... 16-bit programs and ran on a RISC chip I think (don't require much power, and a small subset of instructions probly easily accessible on the chipset for PS3, as part of the alliance that designed the Cell Processor were also behind the PS1 core). The PS2 games don't emulate as well on the PS3 because of the disparity between the core processors in the systems. That is why they originally had a daughterboard in them with the PS2 Emotion chip on them--you esentially had 2 consoles in one with the 1st gen models. IDK if the emulator is still out there on the PSN, but there was one that played like 30% of the PS2 titles just fine via emulation.

In their defense, they TRIED to have full backwards compatability, but it proved to be too unstable and costly to continue with it. There was a limited number of chips stamped out, then they had to go back to the drawing board because of issues with the original design team splitting off and various patent issues and what not--they actually had to cut off parts of the core at one point and come up with a new die for the PS3. In the end, they just couldn't afford to keep the Emotion chip in there and sell it at a price the public would accept.

Raist

[Effilil]

1. if HDD partition size is a problem for the PS2 version, SE might be thinking of a way of expanding that partition size for new content
2. I would love a PS3 version of the game to appear....I've been wanting to see one since PS3 came out...it would end up being just a port of the game over from PS2/pc/hexbox (laugh, the rrod on xbox's are the reason it's been dubbed "hexbox"), but it might bring some new players into the game
3. yes, the game is 9 now, but that doesn't mean it's old and clunky....Nintendo has had amazing sales porting games from 20+ years ago to the DS....including the original Final Fantasy games...and many are still better than most new games IMO
4. (unrelated, but sort of on topic) PSU died for ALOT of reasons that have nothing to do with what platform it was on....Phantasy Star Online is still out there, and has a solid playerbase, even if it is kept alive by the players, and think about how old that game is (it's a Dreamcast game..a system that still gets new games in Japan too)
5. it will take time to implement any changes to the format, and yes, it will cost money....Rome wasn't built in a day, and it sure as heck wasn't built for free
6. I'm sure SE has had debates about all of this at meetings already....they're not thinking of ways to annoy/bore/irritate the players...they're trying to think of ways to keep us playing the game we all love, even if some tasks irritate us because of the repetitious nature of them

PS2 may force limits on what the programmers can do for the game, but in the end, it's the players who really make or break the game
I for one am going to play until the last servers are finally shut down

[Juri_Licious]

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As for RROD, true if you have the older model but my friends have almost all of them had to replace the original PS3 that came out. YLOD + RROD apparently color deaths are on both.

As for Phantasy Star Online in Japan, that's only the Blue Burst version aka the PC version.

It doesn't actually get true games. A company has been making littleish games on it the past two years and that's about it.

And players don't make the content they just pay for it.
Obvious is obvious.

PS: FFXI with out the PS2's shackles will improve the entire game as a whole.

[Megatron]

fan boys will be fan boys.

[svengalis]

This game will never receive a graphics update that's the biggest limitation if you ask me. I would love to see some FF XIV styled graphics running in this game but thanks to PS2 support that won't ever happen.