Claim System + Call for Help Code = Win

[Charismatic]

No, it's entirely false. Mobs have never randomly deaggroed

This.
Been playing this game off and on since the PS2 beta test and never ever ever ever ever had spamming abilities on a claimed enemy magically made someone lose claim. If that were possible, it'd have been fixed a hell of a lot quicker than it was because EVERYONE would be abusing that.

[Glamdring]

This.
Been playing this game off and on since the PS2 beta test and never ever ever ever ever had spamming abilities on a claimed enemy magically made someone lose claim. If that were possible, it'd have been fixed a hell of a lot quicker than it was because EVERYONE would be abusing that.

point of fact, you generally can't take any hostile action on a mob once it's taken the 1st point of damage, so you couldn't spam anything but cure. I don't recall anytime you could. The biggie that I recall is that if your claim did no damage (provoke) or you had simultaneous attacks there was a chance to fight over claim until 1 side firmly established it.

[rog]

point of fact, you generally can't take any hostile action on a mob once it's taken the 1st point of damage, so you couldn't spam anything but cure. I don't recall anytime you could. The biggie that I recall is that if your claim did no damage (provoke) or you had simultaneous attacks there was a chance to fight over claim until 1 side firmly established it.

You are wrong. Damage has never played any roll whatsoever in claim.

[Chocobits]

This.
Been playing this game off and on since the PS2 beta test and never ever ever ever ever had spamming abilities on a claimed enemy magically made someone lose claim. If that were possible, it'd have been fixed a hell of a lot quicker than it was because EVERYONE would be abusing that.

It was possible, and as I said in my post I did extensive testing on it. Claim stealing was possible on any mob by spamming spells/JA. The mob's name color never changed during the period in which claim was lost because it was a < 1 second window. Every mob had a split second window where any nearby player could perform an action on it. It was quickly ninja patched when people began posting about lost NMs.

It's cool you didn't know about it. It wasn't a widely known fact (being one of the few exploits that was hush hush, like the salvage hacks). Just because you didn't know about it =/= it didn't exist though. It doesn't matter because it doesn't exist now; I'm just stating for the record it was possible and I don't gain any kind of super reputation for pointing it out/fabricating it.

[Charismatic]

It was possible, and as I said in my post I did extensive testing on it. Claim stealing was possible on any mob by spamming spells/JA. The mob's name color never changed during the period in which claim was lost because it was a < 1 second window. Every mob had a split second window where any nearby player could perform an action on it. It was quickly ninja patched when people began posting about lost NMs.

It's cool you didn't know about it. It wasn't a widely known fact (being one of the few exploits that was hush hush, like the salvage hacks). Just because you didn't know about it =/= it didn't exist though. It doesn't matter because it doesn't exist now; I'm just stating for the record it was possible and I don't gain any kind of super reputation for pointing it out/fabricating it.

You are a fool. Everyone would have known about it, people spam like crazy when they see people about to wipe. It'd have been found out simply due to that.

[rog]

It was possible, and as I said in my post I did extensive testing on it. Claim stealing was possible on any mob by spamming spells/JA. The mob's name color never changed during the period in which claim was lost because it was a < 1 second window. Every mob had a split second window where any nearby player could perform an action on it. It was quickly ninja patched when people began posting about lost NMs.

It's cool you didn't know about it. It wasn't a widely known fact (being one of the few exploits that was hush hush, like the salvage hacks). Just because you didn't know about it =/= it didn't exist though. It doesn't matter because it doesn't exist now; I'm just stating for the record it was possible and I don't gain any kind of super reputation for pointing it out/fabricating it.

I spent years spamming provoke on claimed mobs on the off chance the group fighting it would fuck up and let it unclaim. Never once stole a mob like that, unless they did in fact fuck up. You are wrong.

[Chocobits]

I spent years spamming provoke on claimed mobs on the off chance the group fighting it would fuck up and let it unclaim. Never once stole a mob like that, unless they did in fact fuck up. You are wrong.

I don't know what your definition of spamming is. Were you hitting provoke at turbo controller speed (5-10x per second) for the duration of a half hour~ fight?

Also, try anything besides provoke? My 90% success rate was with Dia. I've seen a provoke claimsteal Faf before but it's difficult to say if the other group messed up. And, as I have repeatedly said: I did extensive testing with (mostly) willing test partners and was able to reproduce a claimsteal 90% of the time. I am not somehow wrong that I got control of other people's mobs without them disengaging/running over water/being out of range/dying/dc'ing/switching mobs. This isn't a deaggro. It's a loss of claim. When the glitch happened, which is what it was, a glitch, the former party lost (most of) their hate and my 1 action made their mob begin attacking me, but they would still be affected by that mob's AoE.

It doesn't matter and I'm dropping it because I can't argue with "I couldn't do it so you're wrong", it's not an important issue to forcibly earn belief over.

So how about them current claim stealers? <resumetopic>