Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring View Post

now, as to the "suck less" stance taken by some in these threads, the only thing that needs to "suck less" is their sense of ethics and personal pride. they are proud because they jack the product of someone else's work, take pride in their ability to quickly (but generally not quickly, based on observation) defeat a mob that someone else has already weakened, and somehow that makes them "good". sorry, "good" is the wrong word to describe that type of person; there are myriad correct terms for it but they all boil down to synonyms of "smegma". Look it up.
No one denies someone who sits around waiting to steal a claim are scum. They are. They're worthless scum who leech off other peoples works, and their pride is meaningless. However, not everyone who uses that term does what you described.

(Might not be your viewpoint)
However, Those using That's as an excuse is nothing more than a mere scape-goat argument. Using the argument "But people who do xxx are bad so yyy is bad too" is something a politician would do. Because it makes stupid people go "er hay yar, thur right", even though it makes no logical sense to jump from that conclusion to the other.

It still doesn't change the fact that the best fix for this is simple player taken percautions to ensure their precious NM remains theirs.

Yes. everyone hates Vultures, but despite all of this, "sucking less" is the best solution. I don't like using that term, it sounds just plain mean/rude frankly. Maybe i should say "Learn more"? I don't know. Either way, this is an easily solvable problem the players can take into their own hands by educating themselves.

Fully educated yourself on holding claim, and you will keep claim 999/1000 times (Leaving room for human error).