Claim System + Call for Help Code = Win

[Karbuncle]

And when it invincibles and people run/kite in opposite direction in order to not get nuked while it's in that mode and one player happens to disengage after being the last person to touch it and it goes unclaimed. No one's dead, the group is in complete control, and you're only logic for taking the mob from said group is "Hey it went unclaimed"?

Really dude?

17 NMs and countless trash mobs farmed by a whole alliance in the spirit of good fun and teamwork Means nothign to you because "Hey it went unclaimed"

And you think this is "as designed"?

C'mon man, you're usually pretty sharp. How can you not see this goes against every thing the game's designed to provide? It's highly doubtful this is what Square wants for it's players... And defending theft or saying it's not theft is quite the logical leap...

Unfortunately, yes. If your group is so afraid of an NM that they can't for 1 second have someone Dia it, Gravity it, or something on it to keep it from going unclaimed, by the games own rules, if it goes white, its free game.

I'm not saying I would take the mob, If the player is in control I morally allow them to continue fighting. But it is absolutely not against the ToS. Its not "Stealing". Its 100% legal.

Thats all he is arguing if i'm reading his posts right. He's only trying to explain to people the difference between stealing and Claiming a fair mob.

If your group is so unorganize/afraid of an NM that not one person out of 18 people stop for 1 second and claim the mob to keep it from going unclaimed, if it goes white, its fair game to any group in range.

Fair? Subjective
Legal by games rules? Yes.
Would i take it? no. I would not take anything until the group is fully wiped. even then, if i dont need the mob i leave it alone.

Example: Yesterday ran by some really really gimp group trying to kill Carabosse. it was a WHM and a WAR i think, they wiped, It went unclaimed and idle, it walked right past me, and i didn't touch it cause it would have been an absolute waste of my time to claim it.

The WHM then Reraise and proceeded to zombie it.



Also:

Except people know how the claim system works and that's why they want it changed....

Your logic is akin to saying "If people knew how bullets worked, they wouldn't get shot".

Claim =/= Deadly weapon. You appear to be trying to tell us that Learning how to keep claim on a monster wont help us keep claim on a monster, this is incorrect. If you learn about a bullet, it would be more akin to learning how to prevent death from being shot.

Like, a Bullet proof Vest, Proper medical treatment, Bullet-proof Glassing, etc.

Its a bad analogy, but i did my best with it.