Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
Yes. everyone hates Vultures, but despite all of this, "sucking less" is the best solution. I don't like using that term, it sounds just plain mean/rude frankly. Maybe i should say "Learn more"? I don't know. Either way, this is an easily solvable problem the players can take into their own hands by educating themselves.
I guess I take issue with the suck less thing because in order to suck less my group has ended up sucking more. We have lost 1 CC out of 3 completed emps on that path so it's not really a matter of losing pops, the first time we lost a CC to charm was the only time it happened. The thing that annoys me is that our solution was to have a melee stay off the mob but close enough in range that they could be on the mob before it went white. This slowed down our kill speed a bit effectively making us suck more. I'm sure you're going to suggest that our mages should suck less and perhaps they should but I'd rather not lose a mob and kill slower than rely on a group of people who already have a lot of stuff on their plate. I think mayhem lantern is a bit of a gimmick and that annoys me...

I also feel like player behavior has changed as time has gone on. There was a time when you randomed for things that others wiped to... although that went out the window when people started abusing it. There was also a time when you gave the drops of a pop NM to the shell that wiped to it and that always used to make me smile. I know I'm wearing rose colored glasses with regards to the past, machina has definitely contributed lots of drama as the years have gone by but I do feel like more people find deplorable behavior acceptable now than a few years ago.