BLM/SMN Staff Weapon Skills limited without proper subs

[Harukusan]

For the longest time I've been curious as to why BLM and SMN were always restricted from using certain weapon skills with a staff without the use of a proper sub job. Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons all focus primarily on BLM and SMN (and I guess SCH but I don't know much about that job). Relic staff: BLM/SMN only. BLM and SMN mythics are staves. Empyrean staff is BLM/SMN/SCH. Not the jobs that are required in order to use specific weapon skills: Earth Crusher, Sunburst, and Cataclysm. The first two are used for red triggers, and Cataclysm could be used by said solo BLM or SMN to build their Abyssean lights, or for use as other triggers in new battlefields, or simply because it's the most damaging weapon skill as a BLM without cruor/atma buffs. Even just for kicks or self satisfaction we are unable to perform these weapon skills, and I'm not even sure why. If Black Mages and Summoners were predetermined to use staves, I don't understand the logic behind this restriction. Care to explain? Is it so difficult to lift this?

[Schrute]

Well I think the developers chose those weapon skills in mind for procs because if blms got them as well then we would then have the majority of the spells for grellow procs, blunt blue procs, and now staff red procs. That a lot of procs for blm where as some jobs have hardly any. I'm a career blm, I love all fellow blm's as well but I think the logic was simply that, to not over load one job with important procs.

[RAIST]

Well I think the developers chose those weapon skills in mind for procs because if blms got them as well then we would then have the majority of the spells for grellow procs, blunt blue procs, and now staff red procs. That a lot of procs for blm where as some jobs have hardly any. I'm a career blm, I love all fellow blm's as well but I think the logic was simply that, to not over load one job with important procs.

This doesn't really work against BLM, as /WHM is workable--and it also extends it's yellow proc line into WHM as well. And SMN can just as easily /WHM as well.

What really baffles me is the MELEE jobs that get native access to Cataclysm, which has MAGE stats for it's mods.

Just bassackwards.

[rog]

This doesn't really work against BLM, as /WHM is workable

I seriously hope you do not play blm.

[RAIST]

I seriously hope you do not play blm.

I do, and when I need the WS for proc (or want the luxury of free reraise or maybe tele), I /WHM. It by no means breaks the job (esp. when it comes to abyssea and atmas), and often times if I did not opt to /WHM to benefit the group, we would not have gotten the proc we need to get the items we are after.

Sometimes you have to be willing to put down the cookie cutters to get things done. Would be nice if we didn't have to, but at least the option is there until SE gets their heads out of their collective @$$es and does right by some of these jobs.

[Meyi]

I think it's strange that BLM and SMN don't have access to all the weaponskills. But, I can see what Schrute is saying.

[Harukusan]

This was the case many many years before Abyssea was ever thought of. You can't tell me that this was predetermined in a 10 year old game. Procs may be a major purpose for these weapon skill now, but the fact that they were never available makes no sense. They do have other uses outside of procing NMs.

[Greatguardian]

If I were to wager a guess it would simply be that these jobs are Mages, whose roles have very little to do with melee combat. They are given staff skill so that they have the ability to hit things with a weapon if they absolutely need to, but it is no surprise that they do not have access to higher tier combat abilities like HQ WS.

Blm and Smn are not Stave Masters. They are non-melee jobs who have a basic proficiency in staves because it would make even less sense to give them any sort of proficiency in anything else.

[Karbuncle]

If I were to wager a guess it would simply be that these jobs are Mages, whose roles have very little to do with melee combat. They are given staff skill so that they have the ability to hit things with a weapon if they absolutely need to, but it is no surprise that they do not have access to higher tier combat abilities like HQ WS.

Blm and Smn are not Stave Masters. They are non-melee jobs who have a basic proficiency in staves because it would make even less sense to give them any sort of proficiency in anything else.

This would make sense, If not for WHM.

What with WHM not being a melee job (Don't gimme lip), getting access to not only unique Weaponskills of Club and Staff (both!), But also a 100% unique to WHM Weaponskill (Hexastrike)

WHM is on the same boat a BLM, and SMN, They are not masters of clubs (Only ~B skill? PLD has A-), They are simply given basic proficiency. Yet they get so much.

There is no valid excuse for BLM and SMN not to at least receive exclusive Staff Weaponskills :\, Even if their only use is Red triggers. They are on the Relic Staff after all... It just makes no sense.

So i don't think that reasoning works

[Neisan_Quetz]

The odd part is if I recall correctly both (or at at least Smn) have higher skill than Whm who does get all the EX staff Weaponskills. Then again they also made Sanguine Blade EX so..