sadly GM's appear to have dropped the ball

[RAIST]

kinda on the fence on this one. If it were a group passing by, or there to pop it and this happened it's one thing....but if they were hanging out and effectively camping for the opportunity to steal it multiple times....

Maybe the GM could have restored your pop set or something...not sure what else they could have done to remedy the situation. Unfortunately, it isn't a clearly defined violation....it's just people being jerks. Afraid the server merge is just increasing the occurence of such bad behavior.

[Greatguardian]

Any and all players are 100% within their rights to stand around in any place they choose as long as they choose, so long as they are not directly interfering with other players. They were not impeding their fights. They were not throwing NMs and mobs at them. They were not cure bombing them. They simply took White NMs after a group messed up.

Absolutely, 100%, not a violation of anything.

[Saefinn]

I'd argue that it shouldn't be okay. Potentially people could spend a lot of time getting pop items to find that as soon as say, their tank dies and loses claim and before somebody else manages to regain claim, somebody nicks it making prior effort a waste of time, where as the people who took claim just needed to be at the right place at the right time. What's the point farming pop items when you can just wait for a party to lose claim? Heck, they'll even wear it down for you, making it an easier win for you. E.G. Dhorme Khimaira took out our tanks when he was at >10%hp and had proc'd and before anybody could regain claim somebody took it and quickly finished it off (admittedly it wasn't a brilliant party, but I answered to shouts in PJ in hope for seals). Sure pop items aren't difficult to find, but it was a complete waste of our time, even though we would have won. Of course I am not suggesting that you ought to be an easy win either, but the opportunity is kind of taken away from you even though your party isn't wiped.

[Zyeriis]

I'd argue that it shouldn't be okay. Potentially people could spend a lot of time getting pop items to find that as soon as say, their tank dies and loses claim and before somebody else manages to regain claim, somebody nicks it making prior effort a waste of time, where as the people who took claim just needed to be at the right place at the right time.

That's called screwing up. They might not have wiped but you don't have to wipe to screw up. They've removed enough consequences for screwing up, they don't need to remove more.

[Greatguardian]

Should it be against the ToS? Subjective.

Is it? No.

GMs did their jobs properly. That is what the thread is about.

[Meyi]

Should it be against the ToS? Subjective.

Is it? No.

GMs did their jobs properly. That is what the thread is about.

This is true.

I still feel it's a moral code break. The NM can be popped up to three times now, correct? If so, then it wasn't as if they were simply waiting their turn for the ??? and just happened to take up the white NM while party was charmed. Clearly intentional. And for them to say they couldn't wait to steal again is also harassment in my book.

But I'm not a GM and it's not against the ToS. The GMs are doing their jobs based on the ToS, not their moral conduct.

[Starcade]

Should it be against the ToS? Subjective.

Is it? No.

GMs did their jobs properly. That is what the thread is about.

And I will be banned the moment I express the level of my contempt for how wrong you are at that statement.

The GMs fraudulently turn their backs on massive cheating, and this is another example of it.

[Saefinn]

Well I'm passing my opinion. Does it need a new thread? Not really.

Should the claim system be based on hate or on the party/alliance somebody is in? I would think it would be better.

[noodles355]

Should the claim system be based on hate

It is based on hate. Unless the new person claiming already has decent hate built up (or uses a butt load of VE abilities), then even if they cast on the mob it can still stay white.

For example, Mnk and Whm are killing a NM. Whm is resting and Mnk accidentally disengages. Mob goes white. If you cast dia on it, the mob will still stay white and keep attacking the monk. If the monk does some other action against the mob to claim it again it will go purple immidiately.

[Greatguardian]

It is based on hate. Unless the new person claiming already has decent hate built up (or uses a butt load of VE abilities), then even if they cast on the mob it can still stay white.

For example, Mnk and Whm are killing a NM. Whm is resting and Mnk accidentally disengages. Mob goes white. If you cast dia on it, the mob will still stay white and keep attacking the monk. If the monk does some other action against the mob to claim it again it will go purple immidiately.

Not quite. The situation you described would happen, but not because of Enmity. The "Original" player only requires 1 action taken on a white mob that is aggressive or was previously claimed to them in order to claim it. Any "Intruder" player requires 2 consecutive actions taken on a white mob in order to claim it.

Eg: If you cast Dia and then Dia 2 on the NM while the Mnk was getting up, even if the Mnk had truckloads more hate than you, you would have claim. If you cast Dia and then the Mnk hit the NM, the Mnk would keep claim because they only require 1 action whereas you would have required 2.

There is a fairly massive advantage to the "Original" party in terms of keeping claim.