Cataclysm Farming

[Harukusan]

It's not like I've never seen them do it before. The point I'm making is that WAR is obviously the most ideal choice for the matter. Even if you're trying to build your amber lights (although killing multiple targets with the same weapon skill only wields the lights from one mob) will still work better for a WAR. MNK has the capability to gain tp relatively quickly (with a staff? lol) that doesn't make them a suitable choice for AoE burns.

[Greatguardian]

Ideal? Most likely, but not as clear cut as you're making it out to be. WAR has the advantage in TP gain due to Retaliation, but both jobs should be hitting 100+ TP in a matter of seconds just by being beat on (Over-TP'ing also only affects Fell Cleave's radius, while MNK is rocking +100 TP bonus minimum and TP overflow converts directly into damage). Cataclysm is also a significantly stronger WS than non-MS Fell Cleave, and deals consistent and predictable damage.

For low-man KI farming with 1 melee? WAR would pull ahead if only because of its access to Red procs to finish off near-complete sets, saving time and increasing efficiency. Adding a MNK instead of a second WAR to a cleave? Absolutely nothing lost.

[rog]

Ideal? Most likely, but not as clear cut as you're making it out to be. WAR has the advantage in TP gain due to Retaliation, but both jobs should be hitting 100+ TP in a matter of seconds just by being beat on (Over-TP'ing also only affects Fell Cleave's radius, while MNK is rocking +100 TP bonus minimum and TP overflow converts directly into damage). Cataclysm is also a significantly stronger WS than non-MS Fell Cleave, and deals consistent and predictable damage.

For low-man KI farming with 1 melee? WAR would pull ahead if only because of its access to Red procs to finish off near-complete sets, saving time and increasing efficiency. Adding a MNK instead of a second WAR to a cleave? Absolutely nothing lost.

War can use cataclysm.

[Harukusan]

No reason to argue with someone who always has to be right >.>

[Alhanelem]

I use Cataclysm on SMN all the time. It works quite well, acceptably even if you're not using an MAB setup.

[Malamasala]

Also, comparing Call Wyvern to Astral Flow as 2 hour abilities is terrible.

I was comparing people who get their 2 hours as JAs and those who don't. If my intention had been to compare Astral Flows, it would have been towards -ga spells that are just on individual timers. It really isn't that huge difference between Astral flow and -ga spells though. Mainly that you can use too few SMNs and still live after AOEing with astral flow, while you need enough BLMs AOEing to kill most stuff directly.

I'm sure someone will go talk about Astral Burns now, but that only really works at level 20. If you are a level 60 SMN it just doesn't perform as good as a decent ga spell, not to mention BLMs have sleepgas by then so they can just spam it and hope for the best.

[Malacite]

ANYWAY, after the long derailing and name-calling etc... what's the final verdict for Cata-farming on BLM?

Martial/Magian TP Staff, or Yama +1/+2 with magic dmg +5? Yes ideally you should be box farming in at least a small group for the sake of speculation/fun, if you were to solo farm on BLM (since you can easily slaughter hordes of EP) what would be the better weapon to farm with for Cataclysm? Martial and fire off at 100 every time, or Yama's +1/+2?

I'm really curious (again for the sake of argument/speculation) just how high a BLM could get Cataclysm using Yama's with 300 tp. It's probably even better than nuking during a brew O.o (at least until we get Blizzaja/Thunder V, though AFAIK COR is the best brew job with a proper Wildfire setup.)

[rog]

ANYWAY, after the long derailing and name-calling etc... what's the final verdict for Cata-farming on BLM?

Martial/Magian TP Staff, or Yama +1/+2 with magic dmg +5? Yes ideally you should be box farming in at least a small group for the sake of speculation/fun, if you were to solo farm on BLM (since you can easily slaughter hordes of EP) what would be the better weapon to farm with for Cataclysm? Martial and fire off at 100 every time, or Yama's +1/+2?

I'm really curious (again for the sake of argument/speculation) just how high a BLM could get Cataclysm using Yama's with 300 tp. It's probably even better than nuking during a brew O.o (at least until we get Blizzaja/Thunder V)

Neither, since blm uses firaja/blizzaga3/aeroja for exping/farming.

But yes, cataclysm is far better than nuking with a brew.

[Malacite]

Again, for building amber solo on BLM >->

[rog]

Again, for building amber solo on BLM >->

blm/rdm can't use cata.