Do Japanese have a problem with us?

[noodles355]

I don't think so. Now do you just live in Japan or are you Japanese?

I think so. Firstly your use of the word gaijin shows how ignorant you are. Why put quotation marks around it? Are you trying to suggest it's a bad word? Because it isn't. Foriegners aren't offended by the term, in fact we tend to use it to refer to other foriegners as well when speaking in japanese.

You are wrong that Japanese don't respect someone because they are a foriegner. They won't respect someone if they're an asshole, but is that not true of everyone? Japan is like every other country in that there will always be assholes. You can not base your views of a whole race off a few assholes. It would be like saying all americans are red neck idiots who thought the march earthquake and tsunami were revenge for pearl harbor.
If you act courtious towards them, then just like european or american players, they will be mostly courtious and respectful back to you.

If most japanese players you have met dont respect you, maybe its time you realised that the problem is not them, but its you and you should stop being such a clot.

[Alhanelem]

I don't see it that way.

I think the Japanese are (and with cause!) greatly _insulted_ that they have to share the game with the "gaijin", whom I can be pretty clear that they do not respect -- at least in a game-cultural sense.

The barriers set up are just an excuse not to have to come out and clearly say it.

I'm sorry, but japanese do not hate us as people in general THAT much. Maybe they're not fond of you, but radical generalizations do not make good logic.

[Nidhogg]

A lot of translations with the auto-translator don't translate properly, that said you could say something like {Read}{San'doria}(no space between the two words) and it'll roughly translate to Dynamis San'doria while if you translate to Dynamis - San'doria it gives a completely different message.

Pinecone Bomb is another thing that is mistranslated and is used as a gesture of thanks, helps running an end game shell where you have members from all over the world, and having a decent JP community at night who can explain some of the things about the auto translation and how its broken.

[rog]

I don't find it nice that it's expected of us to learn Japanese to be accepted by their community, as mentioned by a few posters, but there are a few really good points here.

But you expect them to learn english?

It is easy to say you do not mind playing with japanese players, because 99 times out of 100, they will be the ones speaking in a second language, not you. Have you ever tried communicating complex ideas in a language you do not understand well, using vocabulary you never would have learned in school? It is not easy, and it is not fun. You take for granted that most japanese can understand at least basic english, but just because they can understand it does not mean they want to put the effort into doing so while they are trying to relax and play a game.

I can understand some basic japanese myself, but you will not see me trying to play with the japanese, unless they are the ones speaking english. Want to know why? Because even if i can understand what they say (i cannot always), it is not enjoyable trying to decipher moon runes that are scrolling through my chat log while trying to fight some big bad nm. It is hard work, and not enjoyable.

[noodles355]

You realise most of those "moon runes" are just chit chat?

[Arlan]

But you expect them to learn english?

It is easy to say you do not mind playing with japanese players, because 99 times out of 100, they will be the ones speaking in a second language, not you. Have you ever tried communicating complex ideas in a language you do not understand well, using vocabulary you never would have learned in school? It is not easy, and it is not fun. You take for granted that most japanese can understand at least basic english, but just because they can understand it does not mean they want to put the effort into doing so while they are trying to relax and play a game.

I can understand some basic japanese myself, but you will not see me trying to play with the japanese, unless they are the ones speaking english. Want to know why? Because even if i can understand what they say (i cannot always), it is not enjoyable trying to decipher moon runes that are scrolling through my chat log while trying to fight some big bad nm. It is hard work, and not enjoyable.

I too understand basic japanese and I have to say you are right about this for a fact.
I can see how the OP might of had misunderstandings of communication errors but since you put it straight, I think this thread should be done now cause it is getting extremely boring for me and im surprised its not boring for people who still decide to continue posting here out of so many better threads to post in my opinion. lol

Then again, my opinion isn't everyone else's opinion either. so ya lol.
Are we done here yet?

[rog]

You realise most of those "moon runes" are just chit chat?

Obviously. And of course "most" implies that not all of them are.

[SheKicksHigh]

xenophobia is a large componant of japanese history and culture, deal with it
and most of NAs being morons on game doesnt help much either

[Greatguardian]

I have absolutely no issue partying with JPs if the opportunity presents itself. I put forth about as much Japanese (eg: practically none, simple 1-word interjections and statements at best) as I expect them to put forth in English. I rely very heavily on the auto-translator for complex ideas, but it's rare that I've come across something that I just couldn't say in some way or another (Out of the things I want to say, at least).

I don't discuss battle strategy, though, since I tend to figure that knowing what to do is common-bloody-sense so there's no point in learning how to say "RDM, sleep that link". Why the heck wouldn't the Rdm sleep the link? I can see how a party full of English-only banter would get annoying, though. Even if the important notes are all made in auto-trans, constant chatter can be confusing.

[Starcade]

Hate breeds more hate. That coupled with ignorance makes it 1000x worse. Result? War, Civil unrest, etc.

I find it interesting that Starcade, who, by the way, contributed to the link given here, makes statements like "the Japanese have issues with us" and then when asked refuses to respond because "you wouldn't understand." If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, this is the exact attitude that prevents wounds from healing. You are only hurting yourself in the long run by carrying this baggage around.

That would be valid if the parties involved deserved such respect.

There's two factors involved, and at least one of them is conduct which is probably greatly excused by the poster I slammed in say that he wouldn't understand (and that there was no point explaining it to him).

1) is a feature of Japanese culture in which outsiders ("gaijin") are scorned. The Japanese honor social order on a very very high scale -- this is why many people are becoming shockingly disturbed at the Japanese's handling of the Fukushima disaster.

2) is the rampant (and, especially, unchecked) cheating which goes on at the US level. As I inferred earlier, "naming shame" -- bringing shame upon the _family_ of someone who has done something wrong in Japan -- has become a very real enforcement of social order. Bringing shame on your family is almost a lethal offense in Japan.

I have absolutely no problem with the Japanese wanting nothing to do with the US playerbase. I think they use the language barrier as a defense mechanism. The barrier is, and, IMHO should be, intentional.