Soliloquy, The final RDM job ability.

[ManaKing]

The only reason I don't agree with you is that I think SCH should be it's own class. It stops me from ever thinking I should be a back line mage. If i wanted to be a casting RDM from the back row, I would play SCH. I really do believe that everyone should have their own class that is just tons of fun to play. I'm not going to take anything away from another class.

[Merton9999]

The only reason I don't agree with you is that I think SCH should be it's own class. It stops me from ever thinking I should be a back line mage. If i wanted to be a casting RDM from the back row, I would play SCH. I really do believe that everyone should have their own class that is just tons of fun to play. I'm not going to take anything away from another class.

SCH is still my favorite job to play and by no means do I want to take anything away from it. And you can certainly justify a spell + spell SC ability based on the Battle Tactician title. My problem is that I keep seeing all these abilities that seemed for a long time to be "missing" from RDM added to other jobs. I wanted Spell + WS = SC forever on RDM before BLU came out, so reading Chain Affinity in 2006 was my first wtf moment in this regard. After that it just kept happening: enfeebling weapon strikes on DNC, Enlight to PLD and Endark to DRK, then self SC with spells alone on SCH.

I don't want these things taken away from those jobs by any means. It's just annoying to see anything and everything I thought would be cool for RDM going to other jobs. Now let me be clear, I'm not at home fuming. In fact, it's more funny than anything now, because I know someone at SE is laughing all the way to the bank as they tempt me to level BLU, DNC and SCH. And they got me with BLU and SCH so far! Seriously that's the reasoning I'm going with because with god mode, every barrier being removed and almost every job able to solo what RDM could, I don't buy the "RDM would be too powerful" excuse anymore.

The worst part is it makes me reluctant to talk about any wish list items on the RDM board like Reflect, Runic, Double Cast, etc., because I know in August I'll be reading:

Runic: PLD 91
Double Cast: PUP 93
Haste 2: RDM 91

I'd quit. Then come back again. But I won't level PLD or PUP!

[Duelle]

The only reason I don't agree with you is that I think SCH should be it's own class. It stops me from ever thinking I should be a back line mage. If i wanted to be a casting RDM from the back row, I would play SCH. I really do believe that everyone should have their own class that is just tons of fun to play. I'm not going to take anything away from another class.

I'm not sure I follow. SCH is more casting-focused than RDM. What I was saying is that say, we have the following JA given to Red Mage:

Combat Caster: Your next cast elemental spell can be used to open a skillchain.

And had the following mechanics attached to it:

- Doubles casting speed for the elemental spell in question
- Reduces casting range down to 5 yalms (trying to cast an elemental spell outside of this range would give you the "Target is too far away" message)

It stops being a ranged caster JA and becomes something along the lines of what you'd use in the front lines.

As merton put so well, a lot of things that are in line with RDM were given to other classes, leaving us utterly stagnant. If anything, I'd say other classes took lots of things that made sense for RDM. That trend needs to stop.

[ManaKing]

Yeah but why even bother with the spell cast? What I want is a job ability that opens the mob up directly for a MB. If I want to cast spells, I want them to count. I'm an Elvaan. Unless I'm in Aby my MP pool is finite. I don't want to spend levels 91-99 in aby.

I would get more out of my magic burst bonus, because I would be magic bursting in stead of SCing. Every mage in the group would want me there because they would be magic bursting as well.

It's not like I care that BLU can self SC. What I care about is that I need another person to be able to MB and they don't. It's not like I can't already participate in a SC. What I'm asking for is for my job to have more desirable things for the party. This is a desirable thing.

[Duelle]

It's not like I care that BLU can self SC. What I care about is that I need another person to be able to MB and they don't. It's not like I can't already participate in a SC. What I'm asking for is for my job to have more desirable things for the party. This is a desirable thing.

Self SC is one of those things that have been given out like candy to other jobs. At the same time, BLU being able to do so and RDM not just perpetuates that "lul blu iz teh meele mage, u r teh refresh bot" image we're trying to get away from, even more so when the SC is a product of a magic spell and a weapon skill, as is proper of a melee mage.

Opening the window for magic burst without the skillchain is odd and would probably open a can of worms somewhere down the line.

[ManaKing]

Self SC is one of those things that have been given out like candy to other jobs. At the same time, BLU being able to do so and RDM not just perpetuates that "lul blu iz teh meele mage, u r teh refresh bot" image we're trying to get away from, even more so when the SC is a product of a magic spell and a weapon skill, as is proper of a melee mage.

Opening the window for magic burst without the skillchain is odd and would probably open a can of worms somewhere down the line.

What like a can of worms where people actually knew what a MB was and might want to look up how to achieve it themselves?
/shock

Sorry if I'm getting sarcastic, but i've played with enough people that dont even know what a SC or MB is to care about the ramifications of letting people MB without a SC. At least then, maybe some of those people might know what to do with one if they ever made it.

SE clearly doesnt think that SC or MB is super important with the way they setup the light system for Aby. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but if they aren't going to change the way they are going, why not come out ahead for once? It sure beats coming out behind everyone like we normally do.