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  1. #31
    Player Cruentus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    By themselves, without considering fSTR and Attack, MND and STR have exactly the same effect on the WS damage equation. They are both 40%.

    However STR also adds ATT and affects your fSTR. For this reason there is no possible way that MND can be better than STR on Quietus.

    You are arguing for the sake of arguing or just to troll.
    Wrong. This is the method I use to learn. Frankly, I don't care if you lot don't like it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

    Stop attacking me.
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    Last edited by Enkrateia; 06-09-2011 at 06:15 PM. Reason: Personal attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruentus View Post
    Wrong. This is the method I use to learn. Frankly, I don't care if you lot don't like it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

    Stop attacking me.
    i said the same thing more or less <_<
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    Last edited by Enkrateia; 06-09-2011 at 06:16 PM.

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  4. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    Mathematics does not lie. I already know that STR is better than MND for Quietus so why would I need to test it when I already know what the answer is?
    Most players either don't understand the % of damage that a mod puts into a WS nor how it works. I have a very strong feeling that there are full vit torcleaver builds out there rofl. The other thing is that vs a certain mob like an trash mob they might be capping fSTR.
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  5. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruentus View Post
    You know, I have to wonder if people even know how to gear for Quietus. I mean, 40% each on STR & MND means you don't gear for Quietus like you do for, say, Guillotine. Hasn't anyone tried using both STR and MND in their WS set for this?
    OK now i know your pissed at pple and all that but wtf are you on about.
    Gearing for STR and MND over Just STR means nothing... there really no peices you'd swap out for DRK
    For example.

    Twilight body and head ... already are the best MND peices
    Hands... find a mind or str and mnd that beats 12 STR(hefloc)
    Legs.. 12 STR 15 acc / atk from bale+2 ... nothing gets close
    feet ... 9 STR/MND it's all there anyway
    Rings.... Raja or 7STR if ya switch to a 7 MND ring you'll lose attack
    Earring ... Brutal/Bale
    Ammo ... not really many choices anyway
    Back ... Atheling mantle +3% Da
    Waist and Neck is the Gorgets/Elemental belt for WS mod.

    As for having a go at the math i'd say yea you have to test it sometimes but in this case it's really simple stuff.

    If your gonna reply to this plz put forward what gear would you use.
    (btw i havn't considered the recently added gear in this)
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    Main : 99 DRK
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  6. #35
    Player Cruentus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    OK now i know your pissed at pple and all that but wtf are you on about.
    Gearing for STR and MND over Just STR means nothing... there really no peices you'd swap out for DRK
    For example.

    Twilight body and head ... already are the best MND peices
    Hands... find a mind or str and mnd that beats 12 STR(hefloc)
    Legs.. 12 STR 15 acc / atk from bale+2 ... nothing gets close
    feet ... 9 STR/MND it's all there anyway
    Rings.... Raja or 7STR if ya switch to a 7 MND ring you'll lose attack
    Earring ... Brutal/Bale
    Ammo ... not really many choices anyway
    Back ... Atheling mantle +3% Da
    Waist and Neck is the Gorgets/Elemental belt for WS mod.

    As for having a go at the math i'd say yea you have to test it sometimes but in this case it's really simple stuff.

    If your gonna reply to this plz put forward what gear would you use.
    (btw i havn't considered the recently added gear in this)
    I honestly haven't put together a WS set. I may never get around to that. I'm sick of all the ridiculous grinding in this game. Just let me get the storylines done, and I'll call it good.
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  7. #36
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    huh? there literally is no grinding anymore <_< instead of months/years you can do it all in weeks if you know what you're doing.

    omg stop being a baby
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