World spawning HNM

[Daremo]

And as long as it doesn't go in the LAND KING direction.(pops once a week, Spawns in a corner with a sign that reads "TAG ME!" and drops the best gear in game)

Anawie's hammer strikes true, pummeling the nail for 9999 points of damage. Yet somehow still misses the point.

This is exactly what people don't want, and exactly what people are afraid of. Why? Because you don't see people camping King Vinegarroon or Jormungand for the thrill. People only camp mobs with good items, and most people, while they want good items, don't want to go back to the virtual MMA cage that was old HNM.

Some people liked it in the MMA cage. Bully for them, but be aware that a lot of people felt forced to participate and detested it. Of course they're going to oppose the suggestion of bringing anything like that back.

If you really don't want to indulge in elitist fantasies of being 'the best', then make a multi-LS event out of it. Shout it in Jeuno, post it on forums, send /tells to all the old HNM shell members you remember on your server, and then meet up at Vrtra. Whoa baby, the thrill is back! If anyone comes...

A small minority asking for a niche play mechanic that's actively hated by a slightly larger minority and of massive indifference to the majority... This probably has as much chance as open world PvP.

[Anewie]

Here's a pic of me tanking it on PLD at 75.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...510_120036.png

Here's a pic of me soloing it at 90 with my 2 accounts.
http://guildwork.com/#/albums/image/...118b0a2b00116f
http://guildwork.com/#/albums/image/...118b0a2b001170

So you totally right dawg, I never fought it ever, and I never drug it half way across a zone to get it to a good spot where I can not pay attention to where my WHM is standing and what it's doing. I also never drug it half way across a zone to where the alliance was going to be either.


Maybe you should take your own advice.



Just because it's hard for you to do something, does not mean it's hard for OTHER people to do it, it means you're bad at it.

1, I dont see anything in the other two pics.

2. You said Ixion is "one of the easiest mobs to kite". I'm calling bs alert. Show me a video of pic of you kitting dark ixion for a prolonger period of time without getting bound or weighted down. I'm not saying you didn't kill it, I'm not saying he's not easy to kill.

My argument is that Dark Ixion is not "easy to kite". He's easy to reposition or pull to camp etc, but a person can't kite him long term w.o help and not die. Even if you have help, you're going to get hit and likely get debuffed. The mob bouncing hate back and forth off people once someone dies.. I dont consider that kiting. I didn't say you couldn't kite him for oh.. 15-20secs, ok, yeah. I still think you're way overexaggerating when you say hes one of the easiest mobs to kite, cause thats kinda bs.

edit: oh you were in empressshields?^^ /wave, I was on Kujata/valefor too. I'm not trying to be mean, but when I think "easy to kite", KV or Kirin comes to mind. Di? Nope.

[wish12oz]

1, I dont see anything in the other two pics.

2. You said Ixion is "one of the easiest mobs to kite". I'm calling bs alert. Show me a video of pic of you kitting dark ixion for a prolonger period of time without getting bound or weighted down. I'm not saying you didn't kill it, I'm not saying he's not easy to kill.

My argument is that Dark Ixion is not "easy to kite". He's easy to reposition or pull to camp etc, but a person can't kite him long term w.o help and not die. Even if you have help, you're going to get hit and likely get debuffed. I didn't say you couldn't kite him for oh.. 15-20secs, ok, yeah. I still think you're way overexaggerating when you say hes one of the easiest mobs to kite, cause thats kinda bs.

edit: oh you were in empressshields?^^ /wave, I was on Kujata/valefor too. I'm not trying to be mean, but when I think "easy to kite", KV or Kirin comes to mind. Di? Nope.

Kazoku LS, Quetzecoatl is the PLD SS.
At 75 I drug it half way across the zone many times, and not once was it ever difficult.
EDIT:: I take that back, I remember one time I died when I claimed it on rng/sam without any buffs and with no one else around. So I had problems once when I was unprepared and trying to beat someone else.

In that Ronfarue SS, I drug it on just my NIN, from by the zone to jugner, to the waterfall, thats like 6 blocks, and I didn't get hit once. At one point when I was fighting in Saruta another time, I actually got hit with a spear I didn't see because I gear swapped when it started the animation, and died, then kited it for 6-7 min on my WHM mule while casting raise/reapplying buffs to my NIN, then curing my NIN when weakness wore. It was stupidly easy, and I was doing much more then simply kiting.

So ya, I stand by my statement of "its one of the easiest mobs in the game to kite."
Just because it's hard for you doesn't mean it's hard for other people, you need to learn this. It doesn't make you a bad player, it just means you're not as good at something as other people. It's ok to be bad at stuff, like me, I'm terrible at keeping people besides myself alive, and I have a 90 WHM I leveled.

Also: come to my server and find DI up unclaimed and I will come kite it for you, not a big deal, but I don't have fraps or anything.

[Anewie]

Kazoku LS, Quetzecoatl is the PLD SS.
At 75 I drug it half way across the zone many times, and not once was it ever difficult.
EDIT:: I take that back, I remember one time I died when I claimed it on rng/sam without any buffs and with no one else around. So I had problems once when I was unprepared and trying to beat someone else.

In that Ronfarue SS, I drug it on just my NIN, from by the zone to jugner, to the waterfall, thats like 6 blocks, and I didn't get hit once. At one point when I was fighting in Saruta another time, I actually got hit with a spear I didn't see because I gear swapped when it started the animation, and died, then kited it for 6-7 min on my WHM mule while casting raise/reapplying buffs to my NIN, then curing my NIN when weakness wore. It was stupidly easy, and I was doing much more then simply kiting.

So ya, I stand by my statement of "its one of the easiest mobs in the game to kite."
Just because it's hard for you doesn't mean it's hard for other people, you need to learn this. It doesn't make you a bad player, it just means you're not as good at something as other people. It's ok to be bad at stuff, like me, I'm terrible at keeping people besides myself alive, and I have a 90 WHM I leveled.

Tony gonna be making a comeback someday? He was a really good player and made that LS pretty damn successful. Kaz was pretty solid LS. I was kinda bummed when I read he was quitting.

I'm not a totally stubborn betch, so I'll stand corrected. If Ixion is easy for you kite, it just means you're better than me. I'm just going off my personal experiences.

For example, when I claimed ixion id shadowbind right after and run, after it wore and tank was not there, my shadows would start dropping pretty quickly and in no time, I was bound or weighted down. I also can recall quite a few times when competition won and the claimer would die before their tank zones in. Now granted, this just means they suck if you're tank is that slow zoning in, but i'm more focused on the kiting factor. (i'm sure u remember something like this too, haha. funny stuff)

sorry for the bitchtude.

It's funny how small XI is getting. I know so many older players on here. I've gotten around, haha.

Wow.. Just checked AH, like all the drings in kaz quit? Cac been gone 9 months.. >< i guess they didn't like the abyssea stuff?;/ Meh.

[wish12oz]

Kazoku was never really a good LS, old content was just easy and they had the means to monopolize it. I joined because I wanted 1 or 2 things and they were the only ones who could get it. Simple as that. Tony quit when abyssea came out because he recognized how bad the LS was how they wouldn't be able to do new content. Heck, he didn't even do salvage with the LS, and he bought sea drops from another LS because he didn't think his LS could do it.

Before I left, I seriously tried to make them into a good LS, and become a leader, but it didn't work out, they promoted retards to sacks and got tired of me telling them what they should do to make the LS not terrible. The LS fell apart completely when heros came out. Nothing they could do was worth anything anymore, and they weren't the best LS around, because they could no longer block everyone else from content and be the only ones with it. There was only a few good people in the whole LS anyway, the rest were just people who rotated in and got the 2-3 things they wanted then left while farming gil for the leaders. And well ya, most are probably gone by now, and I'd bet a lot of money the rest wish they listened to me or left with me to do what I was doing.

I totally liked the post under mine, he knows Tonys LS was a joke too lol.

[Sureal]

ok, ive heard enough from you anewie, if you seriously believe that A. tony was a good player, and B. that kazoku was a decent shell, kazoku was laughed off of bahamut for a reason

if this is your comparison for what a "good" shell with "good" players is, then i fully understand where you are coming from, because compared to kazoku, gil sellers are good players (now i dont want anyone coming to me and crying oh im in kazoku) if you are on quez or w/e the hell tony ran off too, i dont know you personally, i just know tony, his minions he took with him and the original cult he had on bahamut, so thats all i can go by)


now as for nynja, are you seriously that butthurt that i called you out in your other thread that you had to do a personal search of me? im flattered really, cause honestly, only a hater would go that far, and you know what i love haters, means im doing my job, means you want to be me, you are mad that you are not me, so you will do what it takes to try to take me down to feel better than me, but guess what, haters make me stronger, i welcome haters, without haters, i would have no reason to exist, so while youre at it, throw something at me for wearing an amemet mantle +1 for a long time, ooooo, i love it, im a grown ass man, i dont get hurt that easily, and it takes a whole lot more than someone on a forum making fun of a belt i used to wear in a game

dont think i forgot about you natenn, i could never forget about you, i dont even know what your last argument was, but

world pop hnm's are dumb
gilsellers had gear off kings
bots will be your "ps2"
claiming is not competition
um.... titles do not distinguish endgame players from regular players
and ill add a new one in here, if your argument is solely based around DI and Sandworm, well no one cared about them enough, their drops were meh

any arguments you keep bringing up that i missed?

[Sureal]

so 12oz, how many pieces of gear did you get to see tony take from active members that needed it

[Natenn]

I was told Kazoku was average at best lol, and yea DI can be kited if you don't make any mistakes, as for Arlan why don't you go to abyssea and spam more easy content and think its real endgame more. HNM were the only real endgame. There is no endgame now, just weak casual content, why don't the rest of you stop bein mad and try something of average or higher difficulty like claiming and killing hard HNM when they come out. Or don't idc, no ones forcing you. Tired of ppl crying on these forums to cater to their 1 way for all attitudes cause they can be wrong and just hit the report button if anyone tried to correct them.

World spawn HNM is/was the only worthwhile endgame. See: servers being /shutdown bc endgame getting killed off.

[Natenn]

You only think their dumb bc you couldn't claim or you're just not an HNM person. Don't camp if its not fun, i keep hearing "you are the minority", you just afraid of going back to being the minority player base if HNM come back since theres thousands (probably) of ppl who will be back with HNM. /threadsecutioner

[Sureal]

no

thats all you get anymore as you refuse to listen to the arguments everyone has told you over and over and over and over and over......

ps. and over and over and over and over