World spawning HNM

[Anewie]

If you've ever met natenn or surreal, ud know they are not only very good people but good players too. The interesting thing is, here at two respected players who will fight and argue about something in game. This is something SE wants to avoid. They want us to get along and not push eachother.

The problem with that is, Final Fantasy XI up until a year ago was a game built around the type of player who would put an unreasonable amount of effort into making progress on goals and obtaining gear.

That was almost ten years ago, and as i said up until a year ago, everything was the same for 8-9 years. As an 8 year player who just quit this month for the first time, I can give you an honest answer as to why. It's not cause i wanna be better than everyone. It's not because I want to have the best but its available to everyone. I am not a cheater, im not a loser and im not a c*ckblocker.

I don't like MMOs. I've never found them ientertaining of fun enough. It's quite bizare to explain but The NM/HNM hunting. of ffxi kepts me playing for years. I didn't enjoy watching my ls beat some random shell to claim, who were obviously newer to the endgame scene. Did I knowingly partake in shells that had botters in them and profited? Of course, but the thing is, I was a camper before i joined hnm shells. It's one of the exciting and fun things about the game. It was the single most exciting about it. I simply enjoy camping those rare long spawn.

I do have a limit though and a life. Im happy married and in college again. I already went and got a degree before but I wanted to go back for other reasons. My point? I have a life and couldnt commit to camping, but it was the most exciting and relaxing thing for me to do in game when I was free.

Like Natenn, I play primarily on ps2/3. Did I or can i consistantly beat a bot to claim on fafnir? Of course not... But I didn't and don't enjoy kings nearly as much as Tia,cerb,khim,di,serket,casie,ob,arthro etc. I have killed and hunted probably id say anywhere from 90-95% of all free spawn NM/HNM in game :P. Made it a goal when I was nooby to go through wiki and kill them all, haha.

How many of those NMs dropped gear that i could actually use? not nearly enough to warrant me to hunt them outside pure entertainment. Most of it was sold to fund relics and the only king stuff i got was zenith.

Natenn seems bad at wording it, so I'll say it in a way I think he means it better, he enjoys that type of content like me. It doesnt make him a loser, a cheater or someone who JUST WANTS TO BEAT YOU.

And as long as it doesnt go in the LAND KING direction.(pops once a week, Spawns in a corner with a sign that reads "TAG ME!" and drops the best gear in game)

Why do you guys really care? Why not let the camping community compete for their toys? Thats a legitimate question. You dont enjoy camping and the idea of racing or hunting, a rare bad ass mob doesnt entertain you.

I think the answer is simply, you either don't 1. wanna have to worry about camping for the best gear or you don't want to feel left out from 2. fighting a new and exciting mob.

1. I want everyone who reads this post, who "cared" about Khimaira, Cerberus, Ixion or Sandworm to post and say you actually had a very hard time camping these mobs and u legitimately cared about the drops enough that you would actually be dissapointed if they added something like that again. Feel free to throw it in my face and say idk what im talking about, but im willing to bet the only people who really cared about those mobs are in fact, the hnm camping community. Everyone else couldn't have cared and it's not hard to know why. I wont use kings and tiamat because those drops were/are te absolute best and there weren't much of any alternatives. The drops from those mobs were not Luxury or toys. They were a necessity to be seen as above "above average".

2. The whole point and concept of enjoying the fight of those mobs, lies within their exclusivity. The drops aren't nearly as exclusive as the mobs. To say you want to fight them and don't enjoy camping them, would defeat the very purpose in them being rare or exclusive. This is where it gets complicated, because you say its unfair for SE to add content that you cannot do, when in fact, you more than likely don't enjoy it anyway. FFXI has always had rare spawns and they were a prime source of entertainment. The only issue with it was having people revolve around it to be top tier.

If they can avoid making the new endgame revolve around it, but more so add them in to satisfy that player base, theres absolutley no unreasonable reason why they shouldn't add them. You asking them to not add content just bcause you don't enjoy it, is quite bogus. I do and did enjoy it occasionally, even IF i didn't have the time for it. What makes you better and more worth content you enjoy than me?

Why are you concerned with what I enjoy and request to be implimented? No matter what it is. If you don't enjoy it, and you have gear and options elsewhere that are satisfying enough to establish you, why do you care? I'm not paying in the stone ages but you have the mindset of one. The game has come a long way and I am certain they won't give spawns the absolute best gear. Sure, theyll give thme really neat toys, but stop acting like you seriously care but you don't. You're just afraid of not having accessability.

Fact check, you have plenty of it and more of it will come.

[Daremo]

And as long as it doesn't go in the LAND KING direction.(pops once a week, Spawns in a corner with a sign that reads "TAG ME!" and drops the best gear in game)

Anawie's hammer strikes true, pummeling the nail for 9999 points of damage. Yet somehow still misses the point.

This is exactly what people don't want, and exactly what people are afraid of. Why? Because you don't see people camping King Vinegarroon or Jormungand for the thrill. People only camp mobs with good items, and most people, while they want good items, don't want to go back to the virtual MMA cage that was old HNM.

Some people liked it in the MMA cage. Bully for them, but be aware that a lot of people felt forced to participate and detested it. Of course they're going to oppose the suggestion of bringing anything like that back.

If you really don't want to indulge in elitist fantasies of being 'the best', then make a multi-LS event out of it. Shout it in Jeuno, post it on forums, send /tells to all the old HNM shell members you remember on your server, and then meet up at Vrtra. Whoa baby, the thrill is back! If anyone comes...

A small minority asking for a niche play mechanic that's actively hated by a slightly larger minority and of massive indifference to the majority... This probably has as much chance as open world PvP.

[Nynja]

I stopped communicating with these two....

[Sureal]

lol, cause you know me, you know who i am, what im all about by looking at my ffxiah profile, regardless of the fact i already told you i quit for a year and a half, but im supposed to have top notch gear the day i come back right, sorry

[Nynja]

lol, cause you know me, you know who i am, what im all about by looking at my ffxiah profile, regardless of the fact i already told you i quit for a year and a half, but im supposed to have top notch gear the day i come back right, sorry

Yeah, because Swift Belt's were introduced last year...

I stand corrected that there does exist such a program

Shows how much you know from the get go

[Natenn]

Don't worry Anwei, they're just getting overly defensive cause you are right. Idk what server yall oh but on Pandy then Asura i stomped my competition. Donno where all these super unbeatable bots you keep harpin on about are but i must of never had to deal with em.

[Anewie]

Don't worry Anwei, they're just getting overly defensive cause you are right. Idk what server yall oh but on Pandy then Asura i stomped my competition. Donno where all these super unbeatable bots you keep harpin on about are but i must of never had to deal with em.

I stand corrected that there does exist such a program, doesn't change the fact that actually scanners stand just a good chance at getting it as some dping.

My point was, they didn't have an advantage over a focused person as opposed to King camping where you can stand on a mob and bot claim it. I too have beaten deathspot scanners. I think those two are just grasping at straws so throw the "they bot" excuse. Seriously, there was a reason a lot of shells and groups that didn't do generic kings but did SW/Ixion.

Know why? because they could actually stand an equal chance if they focused.

You cant even claim ixion w.o throwing ash at it, so my point rests. GTFO with that cheating stuff as a means to dominate wotg HNM. It rly is bs.

My shell only ever dp scanned when there was NO competition and we didn't even go out to scan. One single person just went zone to zone to check dps. When comp came, we got on RDM/RNG NIN/RNG or RNG and put 1-2 ppl in every zone, and thats the best way to do it.

[wish12oz]

Kazoku was never really a good LS, old content was just easy and they had the means to monopolize it. I joined because I wanted 1 or 2 things and they were the only ones who could get it. Simple as that. Tony quit when abyssea came out because he recognized how bad the LS was how they wouldn't be able to do new content. Heck, he didn't even do salvage with the LS, and he bought sea drops from another LS because he didn't think his LS could do it.

Before I left, I seriously tried to make them into a good LS, and become a leader, but it didn't work out, they promoted retards to sacks and got tired of me telling them what they should do to make the LS not terrible. The LS fell apart completely when heros came out. Nothing they could do was worth anything anymore, and they weren't the best LS around, because they could no longer block everyone else from content and be the only ones with it. There was only a few good people in the whole LS anyway, the rest were just people who rotated in and got the 2-3 things they wanted then left while farming gil for the leaders. And well ya, most are probably gone by now, and I'd bet a lot of money the rest wish they listened to me or left with me to do what I was doing.

I totally liked the post under mine, he knows Tonys LS was a joke too lol.

[Sureal]

ok, ive heard enough from you anewie, if you seriously believe that A. tony was a good player, and B. that kazoku was a decent shell, kazoku was laughed off of bahamut for a reason

if this is your comparison for what a "good" shell with "good" players is, then i fully understand where you are coming from, because compared to kazoku, gil sellers are good players (now i dont want anyone coming to me and crying oh im in kazoku) if you are on quez or w/e the hell tony ran off too, i dont know you personally, i just know tony, his minions he took with him and the original cult he had on bahamut, so thats all i can go by)


now as for nynja, are you seriously that butthurt that i called you out in your other thread that you had to do a personal search of me? im flattered really, cause honestly, only a hater would go that far, and you know what i love haters, means im doing my job, means you want to be me, you are mad that you are not me, so you will do what it takes to try to take me down to feel better than me, but guess what, haters make me stronger, i welcome haters, without haters, i would have no reason to exist, so while youre at it, throw something at me for wearing an amemet mantle +1 for a long time, ooooo, i love it, im a grown ass man, i dont get hurt that easily, and it takes a whole lot more than someone on a forum making fun of a belt i used to wear in a game

dont think i forgot about you natenn, i could never forget about you, i dont even know what your last argument was, but

world pop hnm's are dumb
gilsellers had gear off kings
bots will be your "ps2"
claiming is not competition
um.... titles do not distinguish endgame players from regular players
and ill add a new one in here, if your argument is solely based around DI and Sandworm, well no one cared about them enough, their drops were meh

any arguments you keep bringing up that i missed?

[Nynja]

now as for nynja, are you seriously that butthurt that i called you out in your other thread that you had to do a personal search of me?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA