World spawning HNM

[Ravenmore]

For what 5 mins if you took it slow lol. So 5mins out of 3 hours was fun, wow you really enjoyed that.

[Anewie]

For what 5 mins if you took it slow lol. So 5mins out of 3 hours was fun, wow you really enjoyed that.

Comments like these are kinda rude. Although Natenns comments on noobs and what should be considered the best and where should come from and how much effort one should put into it, are questionable. Comments like these are nothing short of one sided and small minded.

Just cause you don't enjoy certain things doesn't mean others don't, and like I told Arlan what you consider fun and entertaining might not be as entertaining to others.

Some of you need to get rid of your sense of entitlement. I really find it quite funny. Sure, game shouldn't revolve around luck tactics and it shouldnt encourage cheating, but some of come off nothing short of absent minded.

Your argument isn't really any better than Natenns. It's just the opposite of what he's asking.. Players thinking they are better than others and are more entitled to things to fit their way. Because someone enjoys things you don't, something must be wrong with them or the system. Then theres people who think they only deserve the best and the only way anyone should be rewarded with what they have, is to be like them. It's basically the same thought process from both sides.

Neither side is right. The only thing anyone is entitled to is their opinion and everyone should respect each others opinion. Does that mean one person isnt really ridiculous, rude or silly? Course not. But this is a community board and It really is laughable some of you start calling people like myself names and saying what I enjoy is stupid. I have every right to be irritated and tell said person to piss off.

If you don't like the content of the game. Freakin quit. This game has been around for 9+ years and only within the last year has game really changed. In my opinion, it was a good change because the game was too one sided but this is an opinion. It's only a fact in the sense that it was a better change for certain people. Some people who don't even enjoy hnm, hate the direction. Does that make them a xxxx? a yyyy? No, it's just a difference in taste.

Hows this! Let's see if everyone in this thread can agree to disagree. If someone has a concern or statement they'd like the make, THEY CAN MAKE A THREAD and speak directly to the devs.

I am someone who would like a dev to respond to natenns question and that doesn't make me anything but a concerned member of the board. If you've already stated your opinion, let's stop the personal attacks ok? Natenn I would suggest you start making good use of reporting people. This was a reasonable question many people would like answered, whether they like the content or not. I really wanna know what they plan to do in regards to world NMs.

To the rest of you, if you really feel like flaming natenn or world hnm, make a thread for it and all the people who support you can come in and like the post and guys can reach your target audience, which is the devolopers.

There are plenty of thread asking the devs about xx content and this isnt any different. It's just a controversial subject. I hope SE approaches it similar to the past NMs, while continuing to offer more casual friendly gaming for others. More than anything I'd like to know a simple answer about the future of the game. I've quit anyway and Don't have any plans to return atm. My opinion matters less I suppose.

You all have a wonderful evening ! Enjoy the game. It;'s what its there for. Complaining about the uncertain is kinda waste of energy. Besides, I highly doubt things will ever go back to the way they were.

also, just ask ksandra, natenn or leon, I'm not a bitch :P

I'm actually really sweet in game and on bg! Te hehe XD

[Arlan]

For what 5 mins if you took it slow lol. So 5mins out of 3 hours was fun, wow you really enjoyed that.

Ravenmore has an excellent point.

Also, like I said before:
Gamers don't like to waste time playing games.
Gamers like to put time to enjoy playing games.
Gamers want to progress in games they put their time/effort in.

Your not a gamer if you just want something to waste your time in.
Gamers want to game to have fun.
People have fun seeing progressions and having access to contents that are enjoyable.

I'm not telling you "What style" of game you have to like to be a gamer,
I'm not telling you "You must like this content in order to be a gamer" either,

I'm telling you why I disagree with the OP because I'm a gamer like majority of players who long on to play with their friends, and I want to game when I want to game. I don't wont a content that I am excluded in because I have to play on the game's schedule. I wana be able to play on my own schedule with my friends, and I know so many people do too that is why they dislike this useless thread and the OP who posted it.

Btw, You sound like your the nice guy but in reality, your just as deluded as the OP, Anewie.
This game is made for the majority, not for the minority.
Majority are gamers who want to play video games on their free time with friends, they don't want to play this game as another JOB or another Real life.

People play games to get their heads out of the Real world and just enjoy a form of entertainment with others.
Games are not made to be your 2nd Life, they are made for players to "PLAY" for "FUN".

If your not a gamer, go waste your time doing something else.

[Azagthoth]

I'm pretty sure that most people aren't against World Spawns being added, as long as the other content is available elsewhere, as it's been stated in numerous times already in the thread; however, depending on the difficulty of the other content it may make camping the World Spawns nothing more than a novelty; if you can get the gear from other events it'll ultimately be less valuable and Natenn won't be able to fund his relics.

It's a pretty delicate balance, but maybe they could come up with something that will work out and won't alienate the vast majority of the players.

[Nynja]

Trophy items should be exactly that, trophy items. Stuff that looks good, unique, but average stats.

Hauteclaire and Seveneyes are good examples. Haute was pretty garbage, but it looked nice. Seveneyes has a unique model as well. The drop rate is atrocious though for whatever reason...

[Ravenmore]

What nat is asking for is the greatest level of entitlement. I lost all respect for many people camping ground a long time ago. Many of these people are also the ones complaining about how the new dyna works, cause now they can't control other players. THAT is all it comes down too. Why then did people leave HNM LSs as soon as it was found you did't need them anymore people in HNM ls were not all your friend and most for out for them selfs. They would get everything the wanted and leave of if they were leaders get everything they wanted and break the shell. World spawns with high respawn timers breads this and if any one is too naive to see it well then the get what they get.

ToAU beastman king were never camp and kill once in a great moon for some one working on mystic, that some one might had to have merc. Jermy was never camped and had the same 24 hour repop, same goes for vetra. You know why these HNM were not camp they drop nothing that HNM leaders could use to control the minons with. This is why only a very small handful of people want 24 hour world spawn NMs back and why 99% of the player base is happy its gone. How many people had to buy items off HNM LSs that the LSs were maxed out on already.

The only thing people are upset with with the way kings work now is the low drop rate on HQ pop items and that the NQ lost thier BB items. If they add the BB items back to the NQ half the people complaining would be happy and the other half would have more chances of picking up a free HQ pop.

The devs need to see that only the very few surport this so they don't get it in thier heads that people really want this.

[Anewie]

What nat is asking for is the greatest level of entitlement. I lost all respect for many people camping ground a long time ago. Many of these people are also the ones complaining about how the new dyna works, cause now they can't control other players. THAT is all it comes down too. Why then did people leave HNM LSs as soon as it was found you did't need them anymore people in HNM ls were not all your friend and most for out for them selfs. They would get everything the wanted and leave of if they were leaders get everything they wanted and break the shell. World spawns with high respawn timers breads this and if any one is too naive to see it well then the get what they get.

ToAU beastman king were never camp and kill once in a great moon for some one working on mystic, that some one might had to have merc. Jermy was never camped and had the same 24 hour repop, same goes for vetra. You know why these HNM were not camp they drop nothing that HNM leaders could use to control the minons with. This is why only a very small handful of people want 24 hour world spawn NMs back and why 99% of the player base is happy its gone. How many people had to buy items off HNM LSs that the LSs were maxed out on already.

The only thing people are upset with with the way kings work now is the low drop rate on HQ pop items and that the NQ lost thier BB items. If they add the BB items back to the NQ half the people complaining would be happy and the other half would have more chances of picking up a free HQ pop.

The devs need to see that only the very few surport this so they don't get it in thier heads that people really want this.

Where do you get the notion "very few support this"? The same 4-5 people replying? Why dont u try making a poll like the ones on the other community sites. Beause according to those (which are MORE open and post friendly than this forum) 1 in every 3-4 people do want some form of new world NM/HNM. Using this forum as a way to speak for the entire community is a flawed notion because quite a few people don't like the rules of these forums and don't post. I'd like to know where you get this evidence so VERY few support it? Besides posters in a thread, which make up no more like 7-10 different people at most?

Or are you just stating things without factual evidence? Heres a fact check for you. You don't speak for the community and if we are going to claim something, we should let the devs do the investigating. Saying very few like this comment is an overstatement.

As the two previously stated before you, people aren't against world spawns and items that dropped from like khim or cerbw were still heavily camped and fun. Those were trophy items and something like that is as far as it should go. They did this before with kings/einherjar, and everyone was happy to an extent. The game is easier now and you only need a part of 6-10 to ace chambers. It didnt stop people from doing kings or hnm at 85. That only stopped at 90.

[Ravenmore]

Those NMs you sbrought up drop craft items for high demand HQ items so no they were not camped for fun. hydra was never camp since it drop nothing of any value. Why did we get pop kings, cause the player base kept asking for it. Thats the proof right there.

[Natenn]

Im asking for something that results in victory over competition, thats the thrill "my kind" of ppl are looking for. The only thing that provided that to date were HNM. Theres no glory to be found in XI atm, nothing is that hard to be proud about when you complete a goal with the exception of relics which is nowhere near what it use to mean. How easy it to obtain twilight gear/abyssea drops? An idiot could get them with little to no effort? Heck i solo 80 Briareus helms in under 2 weeks combined for Kanagi/Almace(got help last 20 to finish faster). Ppl defend abyssea for 2 main reason: 1. Its easy to exp & 2. little is required to reap the big rewards. Point out something in game thats actually difficult and has reward enough to go through the hassle of doing it.

[Natenn]

Also Ram the 99%(which i doubt) player base is whats left, if HNM were around that 99% would go back to the original 50%ish or less. Like i said, servers were /shutdown due to lack of ppl.