World spawning HNM

[Natenn]

The real reason? What on earth are you babbling about? I said i want competition back in the game, no idea what you could be talking about.

[Arlan]

The real reason? What on earth are you babbling about? I said i want competition back in the game, no idea what you could be talking about.

Go PVP and fight with players in Belista. Thats competition right there.
Majority of the game was designed for players to work together to achieve things together.
But Belista or brenner was designed for pvp purpose.

HNMs where not made for players to compete against each other.
SE stated that their intention was to make it where the HNM pops ever so on so when players explore into new areas and such, they can see powerful new NMs to take on with their LS mates and team when passing by.

But instead, everyone tryed to camp them and even go far to bott them and make it a heavy "Botting sport".

I dont care if you bot or don't bot your claims, But what I do care for is the fact that Players "Having to play the game on the Game's schedule and Not on their own's schedule". This is where Majority of the players who are limited in time for RL not being able to have access to overtake challenges they might want to take for items they want that can cause problems with.

Go play WoW or some other game that is heavily build for PVPing. FFXI was not made for PVP Claim Wars, The community made it that way based on Elitism. (PVP Belista and Brenner where made for fun Competitions not Elitism.)

This is why majority dislike this idea and don't want the old HNM system back.
Good luck trying to get people other wise.

A system Preventing majority of players from fighting NMs or doing enjoyable contents isn't challenging, it is frustrating and annoying. The Challenge is trying to beat the NM with your team successfully since it is a PVE based game, even tho there are some PVP elements like Belista or Brenner.

[Sureal]

we have been over this natenn, you dont want competition, just say it and i will leave forever

say "i want to bottleneck other players"

[Natenn]

I'm not gonna say something that isn't true, i didn't like competition but im not gonna let them stop me from camping thats the whole point.

And Arlan if you are not gonna camp if/when they come then why are you gonna make 3 long posts in a row complaining about now? Being mad over a game when you preach the "RL' card is pretty much hypocrisy at its best.

[Romanova]

I said i want competition back in the game,

i didn't like competition

how counterproductive of you.

[Anewie]

This is getting ridiculous. You all said your piece now leave it be. This is Natenns thread and he has every right to post his opinion. You don't have to like it but stop spamming. You don't want world spawns, you've said it time and time again without any intelligent debate or argument. If you're going to contribute to discussion, fine but otherwise, Natenn you should be reporting people.

Everyone has their own opinion and I don't even totally agree with Natenn, but this is Natenns thread to the devs. The same people spamming I DONT WANT THIS/I DO WANT THIS is not going to have any effect. You can say the same thing x100 times but you speak for you and making sure your point is on every page isn't really doing anything.


If you want to have a civilised, intelligent conversation or debate with someone thats fine. I basically said the same thing as Natenn but I don't agree with certain things that he agrees with regarding gear. Throwing insults at eachother is not going to change the direction or minds of the devs and i'm pretty sure if they have any plans of adding/not adding world spawns at any point, it's probably already been considered and decided.

You guys speak for yourself, not the player base. It's always been a larger portion of players who don't enjoy HNM vs those who do. This is not news.The point is, there is a base for this type of content and whether you want to accept it or not, it is not as simple as people having no lives or wanting to block other players. Is natenn someone who does enjoy blocking someone? Maybe but Natenn is a single individual. There are plenty of people who enjoy camping and are simply asking for new rare mobs to compensate for the cap increase.

Personally, I think it has already been decided if they will add more content of such. I don't think it is going to make any difference threads like these that are for/against it.

Heres why, it's not telling SE anything they didn't already know. People had complained about hnms forever, but at the same time a large enough portion enjoyed that type of content for whatever reason, enough to warrant it being supported/added. They gave an interview once and spoke on it and acknowledge people actually enjoy it and thats their priority.

A lot of people do want this type of content, but a lot more don't want it. I don't think people not wanting something warrants it not being implemented. If there is enough want for such content, SE should accommodate. Especially if something whether it be mobs or fixes or adjustment, isn't something that will cripple or cause a lot issues amongst players.

This is where the gray area comes in, because if you make a mob too valuable, its inevitable people will fight/bot over it. There are ways to avoid this WITHOUT doing away with the concept of long/lottery world spawns, and that is the way SE should go to please a wider variety of people.

The concept shouldn't be done away with, but more so adjusted in the ways it was back when WOTG NM came out.

[Arlan]

This is getting ridiculous. You all said your piece now leave it be. This is Natenns thread and he has every right to post his opinion. You don't have to like it but stop spamming. You don't want world spawns, you've said it time and time again without any intelligent debate or argument. If you're going to contribute to discussion, fine but otherwise, Natenn you should be reporting people.

Everyone has their own opinion and I don't even totally agree with Natenn, but this is Natenns thread to the devs. The same people spamming I DONT WANT THIS/I DO WANT THIS is not going to have any effect. You can say the same thing x100 times but you speak for you and making sure your point is on every page isn't really doing anything.

I'm sorry but you are wrong.
This thread doesn't belong to the OP.
Because this thread was aimed to the dev by the OP,
Everyone has the right to come in here to agree/disagree and throw in their opinions as much as the OP does.

If you think we are spamming the negative, then guess what, You and the OP are also spamming as well, explaining the same thing over again which majority keep saying they don't want.

Old HNM system needs to die.
If they Revive it, they need a low man BCNM Option that allows any players to be able to get the chance, every 24 hours to obtain KI to enter so players can enjoy the content and challenges who cannot build their RL time around the Game's schedule.

also, the "RL Card" is what SE needs to be looking at, since majority of players who do have lives and can't play the game based on the game's schedule, Pay to play to miss contents and gear they wish to obtain but cannot.

We get our Money to pay monthly in RL.
We go to "WORK" and our RL "Work schedule" is more important than "Game schedule". People log into games to be entertained and to have fun and enjoy it. People don't log into game to do chores and get frustrated and annoyed.

[Sureal]

no, you see we tried to have an intelligent conversation, natenn wont have any of it, so its boiled down to this


sorry, but natenn, you already said you want to have hnm's with gear you cannot get other places, and since you are a god at claiming with your ps2, that means, duh duh duh, you want to bottleneck players


i just want natenn to stop hiding behind his ps2 excuse, and w/e else excuse he has, or whatever other reason today brings, he wants to have gear that others dont have, which is fine, as long as it is obtainable by all, having world spawn hnm's means its not, it means if your not in a botting ls, you are not going to get it, natenn seems to equate gear with skill, see he sees himself as better than others because of a piece of gear he has and wants to make sure no one else can or will get it

i just want him to be a man about it and admit this and i will go away forever, but since i dont see that happening

/setsupcampwithlemonadeandbrats

[Natenn]

Did i leave out beating competition is fun when they flip out every day so i can lol at them acting dumb? i must of.

[Natenn]

Idc if they add it to a BC bc i know ppl will still be camping the HNM, and the BC will be even harder or abysmal drop rate since you can spam it, so again: why do you care? We all care about gear you go your way to obtain it and ill go my way to get it. Is it so bad to want to be competitive?