Why is Guarding just so...bad?

[Swords]

10% was being generous, if it's similar to parry than it's closer to 5% on tougher mobs, potentially more on anything below VT.

I'd say guard procs about 5% of the time, I can get parry to proc and skillup about 10-15% of the time. The sad thing is... my parry is about 115 and my guard is about 200.

[Habiki]

I'd say guard procs about 5% of the time, I can get parry to proc and skillup about 10-15% of the time. The sad thing is... my parry is about 115 and my guard is about 200.

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If your parry procced that much it your skill would be much higher then 115 its at most 3% - 7% proc rate I'm at 321 parry skill atm and skill ups have pretty much stopped only get decent skill ups on VT mobs or Notorius monsters. Decent being the occasional .2 or .3 every 3-4 hrs if i see any at all for the day or week for that matter. One thing to consider about parry is it doesn't just activate when it says in the chat log "player parrys the enemys attack" it also effects accuracy of enemy tp moves, I imagine guard works to the same extent as this.

One things for certain the skill up rate of these to defensive abilitys need to be improved some maybe increase them to the lvl at which shield skills up.

On the subject of guard I can't really add much my mnks only lvl 21, didn't jump on the bandwagon.

[Segasaturn]

Guard for me has been a handy skill to have when tanking solo... that is enough to want it to be a functional on top of that my skill is now 250 and i see it proc on bosses and other hard mobs while its NOT alot, it helps....
My biggest problem is Skilling up Guard spending years in a zone trying to Get it to skill up is not ok... it shouldnt be THAt hard... Guard should Natually lvl with teh job as you play it SE needs to fix this...

[Lazus]

I think they should give mnk and pup some kind of guard mastery which would increase guard rate and give tp when you block.

[Kyrial]

I think they should give mnk and pup some kind of guard mastery which would increase guard rate and give tp when you block.

They already have Tactical Guard, which gives TP when you guard. :P But yeah, a trait that increased the activation rate (or even a JA that did so) would be very welcome.

[Leonlionheart]

They already have Tactical Guard, which gives TP when you guard. :P But yeah, a trait that increased the activation rate (or even a JA that did so) would be very welcome.

Hmmm...

Opposite of counterstance:

Guardstance: 5min recast 5min duration: increases the rate of guard by 50% but reduces defense to base and puts counter rate at 0%. Maybe up KA to scale it to even usable...

[Greatguardian]

Why would I want a 55% guard rate (reducing but still taking damage) with a 0% Counter rate when I can have a 75% Counter rate (Not taking damage and dealing hate-free damage) with a 5% Guard rate?

[Leonlionheart]

Why would I want a 55% guard rate (reducing but still taking damage) with a 0% Counter rate when I can have a 75% Counter rate (Not taking damage and dealing hate-free damage) with a 5% Guard rate?

Looks like you underestimate the power of Guard...

honest answer: Guard actually blocks physical WSs too, completely nullifying damage. So 55% would be way too much in actuality. Not only that but Guard cuts down pDIF by 1.0, meaning it would actually reduce damage over time by huge, huge, huge amounts when stacked with an easily obtainable high PDT set. Against mobs that you can't counter against (Iron giants, Shinryu, high accuracy/evasion enemies) this ability would probably make MNK invincible.

So really it could be useful, though not in Abyssea, and probably overpowered outside Abyssea.

[Lynchilles]

Or, when the mob readies it's TP move, you can, I don't know... just run out of range and take essentially zero damage?

[Swords]

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If your parry procced that much it your skill would be much higher then 115 its at most 3% - 7% proc rate I'm at 321 parry skill atm and skill ups have pretty much stopped only get decent skill ups on VT mobs or Notorius monsters. Decent being the occasional .2 or .3 every 3-4 hrs if i see any at all for the day or week for that matter. One thing to consider about parry is it doesn't just activate when it says in the chat log "player parrys the enemys attack" it also effects accuracy of enemy tp moves, I imagine guard works to the same extent as this.

Yeah about that, being I'm a Monk I'm usually using H2H weapons 95% of the time. Most skillups I get are from randomly tanking while triggiering.