hate cap raise.

[Arcon]

Enmity isn't the problem for PLD, it's the durability of other jobs that are killing it.

Both are problems and just as bad, I might add. Enmity is a major problem and definitely needs fixing, even completely outside of PLD, the system itself is flawed. And other jobs don't tank nearly as well outside of Abyssea. Mages can still get somewhat high refresh, but people also take a lot more damage and have a lot lower HP (and mages a lot lower MP). Some jobs can still get away with it (THF has always performed pretty well, NIN also, MNK may have it a bit worse), others can't do anything anymore (WAR tank with cure spam? Not a chance).

[Darka]

Both are problems and just as bad, I might add. Enmity is a major problem and definitely needs fixing, even completely outside of PLD, the system itself is flawed. And other jobs don't tank nearly as well outside of Abyssea. Mages can still get somewhat high refresh, but people also take a lot more damage and have a lot lower HP (and mages a lot lower MP). Some jobs can still get away with it (THF has always performed pretty well, NIN also, MNK may have it a bit worse), others can't do anything anymore (WAR tank with cure spam? Not a chance).

I was saying enmity accumulation isn't the problem. We've had this discussion before. Even if PLD caps hate, the point is there's no reason to use one since other jobs can tank and deal more damage. That's what's killing PLD. Also, they take the same damage inside and outside Abyssea unless you're stacking VIT/def atmas for some ridiculous reason, and yes, MNK, WAR/SAM, SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM, DRK/NIN, NIN, BLU and RDM all tanked as well as or better than PLD before Abyssea, it just requires a little more care.