WAR Job Ability 90+: "Weapon Mastery"

[Redfrost]

Man KingFury I respect your passion for adding new War stuff and for that I hope they add some cool things. I was merely trying to say that compared to other jobs WAR has been given A LOT. If they did end up letting us use all the cool weapon skills it would definitely be fun to play with.

[kingfury]

Man KingFury I respect your passion for adding new War stuff and for that I hope they add some cool things. I was merely trying to say that compared to other jobs WAR has been given A LOT. If they did end up letting us use all the cool weapon skills it would definitely be fun to play with.

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Thanks Redfrost and I have to agree that WAR has received lots of stuff over the years, but some of the stuff was just... y'know... meh lol. Some was ground breaking like Sekkanoki(was kind've an indirect non-WAR JA gift lol but great none the less), but even after seeing how nice Restraint can boost dmg, it's just not very practical to use during fast pace battles. I just hope my suggestion sparks some thought amongst the Dev team is all. If they can make it more fair than even I'm proposing, I'll be a happy camper lol.

[Mojo]

Restraint is just as good in fast pace battles as drawn out ones. It's effectiveness is based on the number of hits between weaponskills, not the rate at which you build TP. There's nothing impractical about it.

Again, this is an absurdly stupid idea. Just another thread asking for SE to break a job they like to play.

[kingfury]

lol Believe me, I've THOROUGHLY tested Restraint with absolutely every single weapon a WAR can use, so I know exactly how to use it and get the most out of it Mojo. If you think you're getting the proper dmg boost by using it ws to ws, you're wrong friend and you need to test more with it.
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If you can read everything I've posted so far and still believe this, I absolutely know you're not a WAR fan lol. I've giving valid reasons why this JA would be fruitful for WAR in every argument against the concept thus far and here you come with your two cents lol. I've even explained how it shouldn't break things for any job in even the slightest way since Job Abilities are what set each job apart from another. At this point I'm convinced you'd feel this way if WAR got anything new added to their JA list lol! "What's this?! WAR can do something else?? BROKEN!!" /laugh
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Anywho, you have every right to your opinion, and thanks for sharing ^^

[Yarly]

Again, this is an absurdly stupid idea. Just another thread asking for SE to break a job they like to play.

Yup, people need to stop using official forms as an official beg developers to make the game into a shitty game.

[noodles355]

The simple fact of the matter is that even if you had access to all those weaponskills, Ukko's Fury and Raging Rush would still be better than all of them, inside and outside abyssea. Your JA doesn't actually give you anything more than a toy for when you want to play around with different WSs after you've gotten bored of Ukko's or RR. That's all it does to "improve" war.

You don't seem to understand that whatever boost you think it would give to war would in no way whatsoever balance out the mass culling of other jobs this would lead to.
The other day we had a big Turul farming session and took every blue proc with us. We had to have Rng, Drg, Thf, Pld, War, Nin, Sam, Drk, Whm, Mnk. With your new JA we wouldn't have needed any of those at all and would have made to with just a War, Thf for TH and Whm to heal. Your JA just put Rng, Drg, Pld, Drk and Mnk out of a job. How can you possibly think that the fun factor your war gains by being able access to many (but still worse than RR and Ukko's) can possibly be worth more than that?

You're insane. And don't you dare try and use the "There's content outside abyssea !" arguent because it is stupid and weak. Yes there is content outside abyssea, but that doesn't change the fact that abyssea is the majority of the content people now play and anything that adversely affects it so drastically is a major issue.

Also stop calling people friend. I'm not your friend, buddy.

[kingfury]

lol Nah, I wouldn't call anyone as disrespectful as you "friend" so you don't have to worry about that lol. You sound a bit childish to me, but lets focus on your weak arguments shall we.
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1st off, you're proving your lack of knowledge and inexperience of WAR and their use of weapons with your 1st comment. Especially if you're referring to Abyssea dmg. I don't have to wonder if you've ever even tried to experiment with any other weapons inside or outside of Abyssea since you're answering it for me. Do yourself a favor and go enter Abyssea by yourself and play around with your Atma choices in reference to some new weapon skills you haven't tried mod'ing before. There's a whole host of ws that can clear 10k dmg easily so long as you set your Atmas correctly, but you'll never know until you try for yourself ok. Do that for yourself, no one else.
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Ok... I'll say this ONE last time... nice and slowly... you're fears of a WAR being able to proc red and blue effectively over all those jobs... you ready?... IS ALREADY A REALITY MAN!! lol. A lowman group can already take 2-3 ppl inside Abyssea during the right trigger time of game day and successfully trigger both Red and Blue using a WAR. This doesn't deny anyone the use of those other jobs fer crying out loud. That's so stupid to say, jeeze. Go stand in Port Jeuno for a few hours and see if non WAR folks have a problem being picked up for Abyssea parties dude. SE DESIGNED the Abyssea system to be accessible to WARs, so just get over it already. Ok, that being squashed, lets move on.
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If you don't know how to occupy your own time outside of Abyssea, I feel sorry for you. There's still PLENTY of content to enjoy outside of Abyssea, and I do just fine enjoying my time away from it. I don't know what job(s) you play as your main, but if you can't find anything else to achieve other than Abyssea based on it's "God-like mode" system, then I'm sure your days of playing FFXI are numbered lol. Take a break from Abyssea for a week and find what made the game fun for you is what I would suggest.
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In closing, your arguments are as weak as your manners. I didn't design WAR to be adept in 13 weapons, SE did. Don't call me insane for wanting to further push a system that's ALREADY in place. Technically you're already whining about the fact that WAR can do what it can do by triggering effectively with so many weapons in Abyssea, so I'm sure there's not much room in your mind for understanding my proposal. And please stop trying to put "game balance" and "Abyssea" together >< it's just crazy. Abyssea is an add-on battle area that lets individuals become gods... it's not meant to be "balanced" at all... fer cryin out loud. End "buddy" /laugh

[noodles355]

lol Nah, I wouldn't call anyone as disrespectful as you "friend" so you don't have to worry about that lol. You sound a bit childish to me, but lets focus on your weak arguments shall we.

No, what's childish is wanting to kill off a load of jobs in the most played area of the game just to make one job more fun.

1st off, you're proving your lack of knowledge and inexperience of WAR and their use of weapons with your 1st comment. Especially if you're referring to Abyssea dmg. I don't have to wonder if you've ever even tried to experiment with any other weapons inside or outside of Abyssea since you're answering it for me. Do yourself a favor and go enter Abyssea by yourself and play around with your Atma choices in reference to some new weapon skills you haven't tried mod'ing before. There's a whole host of ws that can clear 10k dmg easily so long as you set your Atmas correctly, but you'll never know until you try for yourself ok. Do that for yourself, no one else.

Rubbish. POIDH. Unless you're talking about playing with primeval brew, you are talking out of your behind. There is not a whole host of WSs that can clear 10k damage purely down to atma choices. You are lieing and making up false data to try and justify your argument. There are 4 types of weaponskill. Magic WS (Trueflight, Aeolian Edge, Wildfire, Cloudsplitter), Crit Hit physical WS (Raging Rush, Rampage, Evisceration, Vorpal Blade), non-crit hit physical WS (Guillotine, Penta Thrust, Tachi: Gekko, Dancing Edge, Asuran Fists) and there are "special" WS (Spirits Within, Atonement). The last two catagories will never match the first two catagories in damage, even if you use ideal atmas for each individual catagory. The first two are the only worthwhile options, one involes sticking Razed Ruins, DA/TA, WSC and Crit+ boosting atmas, the other invovles stacking Mab+ and Element Damage+ atmas. That is the extent of the atma choices you are left with. The best atmas for for most of the WS in one catagory are basically the same, possibly swapping one atma for another depending on job (Example: Blade Hi you'd use GH as your 3rd atma, Drakesbane you'd use VV, Evisceration you'd use A/O). You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Also, unless you are fighting Qutrubs your WS wont be hitting 10k "easilly" even with ideal atmas.

Ok... I'll say this ONE last time... nice and slowly... you're fears of a WAR being able to proc red and blue effectively over all those jobs... you ready?... IS ALREADY A REALITY MAN!! lol. A lowman group can already take 2-3 ppl inside Abyssea during the right trigger time of game day and successfully trigger both Red and Blue using a WAR. This doesn't deny anyone the use of those other jobs fer crying out loud. That's so stupid to say, jeeze. Go stand in Port Jeuno for a few hours and see if non WAR folks have a problem being picked up for Abyssea parties dude. SE DESIGNED the Abyssea system to accessible to WARs, so just get over it already. Ok, that being squashed, lets move on.

You are ignorant and stupid. Yes, for NMs that are popped you can rely on claiming it at the specific time of day. But for timed NMs this is not always the case. Furthermore even if this was the case, you're still wrong. Which Blue proc type can war proc on it's own? It's certainly not piercing. Without Hexa strike and any H2H WS after spinning attack, it's not blunt. And without Pld's Swift Blade, Drk's Cross Reaper and any Katana or GK skill, it's not slashing either. So which is it?

If you don't know how to occupy your own time outside of Abyssea, I feel sorry for you. There's still PLENTY of content to enjoy outside of Abyssea, and I do just fine enjoying my time away from Abyssea. I don't know what job(s) you play as your main, but if you can't find anything else to achieve other than Abyssea based on it's "God-like mode" system, then I'm sure your days of playing FFXI are numbered lol. Take a break from Abyssea for a week and find what made the game fun for you is what I would suggest.

You've further proved you're fighting a losing argument by having to make incorrect assumptions agsinst me to try and back me into a corner. You have no proof that I don't spend a lot of time farming kirin pops in sky, or farming torques and capes in sea, or farming Dynamis lord drops in xarcabard with a static. You know absolutely nothing about my playstyle and the fact you have to make assumptions like that to try and boost your argument shows how inherently weak your argument is. Also you have completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with the fact that there is content outside abyssea, or even if what you personally play more is outside abyssea. It's about what the majority of the playerbase play the most, and that is abyssea and you need to accept that. You may play a lot of non-abyssea content, guess what? So do I. Guess What else? We are the minority. You can't reasonably force your ideal on a game that will give a small boost to the minority whilst greatly hurting the majority of the player base. To even suggest such a thing is idiotic.

In closing, your arguments are as weak as your manners. I didn't design WAR to be adept in 13 weapons, SE did. Don't call me insane for wanting to further push a system that's ALREADY in place. Technically you're already whining about the fact that WAR can do what it can do by triggering effectively with so many weapons in Abyssea, so I'm sure there's not much room in your mind for understanding my proposal. And please stop trying to put "game balance" and "Abyssea" together >< it's just crazy. Abyssea is an add-on battle area that lets individuals become gods... it's not meant to be "balanced" at all... fer cryin out loud. End "buddy" lol

I may have bad manners but that doesn't make me any less correct in my points. Abyssea is the most played area of the game currently and although it may be currently unbalanced towards certain jobs, what you are suggesting would unbalance it even further. Your argument seems to be "it's already unbalanced so it doesn't matter if it's unbalanced even further". This is a completely retarded argument.

And stop saying lol all the time, it's childish and irratating. There is nothing remotely laugh-out-loud about this topic apart from maybe the absurdity of your idea.

[kingfury]

@ Noodless: LOL ... wait, wait... LOL

[kingfury]

@Noodles: Okay, I've caught my breath from /laughing at your hissy fit post and I'll try to wrap up a reply quickly for ya (is a smiley face ok for ya then? Everyone luvs a smiley face ^^)
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What can I say to someone that misconstrues, misinterpretes, and resorts to name calling all in an effort to sound like they know what they're talkin about?... /sigh it's tough. As a whole, I'm gonna have to say "NO" you don't know what you're talking about.
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On the subject of Abyssea being a non balanced area, you've already agreed with me, so that means you lose the argument man. No need to beat a dead horse right? WARs win the award for being MVPs inside Abyssea okay. The area was designed to be "broken" in the 1st place, so any fears you have of maintaining some sort of fantasy "balance" is misplaced from the get go. It's pretty easy to understand.
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On the subject of dmg in Abyssea, I say GO TRY IT FOR YOURSELF! Don't take my friggin' word for it PLEASE! Go test for yourself. I will however add that you have to use the right gear for this testing though, but I assumed that would be understood when I shouldn't have obviously (see no "LOL" ^^)
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On the subject of triggering using only a WAR, again I assumed you understood that I was referring to blunt time slots and that yes of course there is still a chance that the trigger won't happen due to the few H2H ws that a WAR can't use and good o'l Hexa Strike. However, I'd say about 8/10 having access to access to near all club (except Hexa) and staff and one H2H ws usually works out as good odds in favor of the WAR being able to trigger Blue. And the same goes for Red triggers, but again a WAR has pretty great odds compared to any other job at proc'ing Red all by themselves. At least that's what I've experienced. So I'm not sure if that makes me... wait, lemmie go back up and check the hardcore 3rd grade playground names you chose... ah yes, "ignorant and stupid", but hopefully that helps clear things up for you.
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On the topic of how you spend your time outside Abyssea: I didn't assume a damn thing lol. Go back and read my words man, I said "If you don't know how to occupy your own time outside of Abyssea, I feel sorry for you.". The use of "IF" constitutes that I'm not trying to assume, but rather speak in a questioning tone. Go look up the word assumption perhaps, and maybe that will clear your head on this misunderstanding. Anywho, good for you and sky pops /cheer
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Annnndd that's about all I have energy for at this point (another smiley face) If you go back and read, your so called "points" were not even defended well... other than the great job you did at name calling and such... cause that took some effort i'm sure. Okie Dokie, have a good one.