WAR Job Ability 90+: "Weapon Mastery"

[kingfury]

I gave the example in a recent post:

"Why would I ride a bike when I have a Car?"

It's not that you're choosing to be "worse" as much as you're choosing another method. If you don't have the right gear, combat skill, weapons, etc , then and only then are you handicapping your output. If you can equip a nice dagger and build a TP/Haste build that rockets you to 100 TP in half the time it takes you to get there with a GA, and then swap in some great WS gear that clears 2-3k+ each time with your dagger WS, you should doing similar if not more damage.

I'm gonna have to post a youtube video man >< lol There are folks that just don't try this stuff.

[Leonlionheart]

I gave the example in a recent post:

"Why would I ride a bike when I have a Car?"

It's not that you're choosing to be "worse" as much as you're choosing another method. If you don't have the right gear, combat skill, weapons, etc , then and only then are you handicapping your output. If you can equip a nice dagger and build a TP/Haste build that rockets you to 100 TP in half the time it takes you to get there with a GA, and then swap in some great WS gear that clears 2-3k+ each time with your dagger WS, you should doing similar if not more damage.

I'm gonna have to post a youtube video man >< lol There are folks that just don't try this stuff.

You trolling?

nothing will be faster than GA getting to 100% TP...

I get 100% in 6 hits... the difference in actual delay in cap haste GA and 1 handed dagger is:

Without haste:
8.43 (506 delay Widowmaker)
3.35 (201 delay Yataghan NQ)
Without STP it takes the same time to get 100%.

With gear haste:
6.33
2.51

With gear and spell haste(including base marches):
3.24
1.29

now we have hasso:
2.4
1.29

still subbing sam TP per hit (No stp gear):
Widowmaker: 15.7
Yataghan NQ: 6.3

With STP gear:
Widowmaker basic 6hit: 18.0 (6 hits)
Yataghan same gear: 7.2 (14 hits)

Time it takes with capped haste to get 100% TP w/o WSing (no retaliation no DA no TA):
Widowmaker: 14.4 seconds
Yagaghan NQ: 18.06

Highest Evisceration I've ever seen: 5.6k
Highest Ukko's Fury I've ever seen: 13.6k

You're not riding a bike, you're crawling.

[kingfury]

^^ No, no, I don't troll. I know the math. I know how it looks on paper/screen. But you have to see it to believe it, trust me. If I hadn't tried this myself a dozen times up against other WARs just for kicks, I wouldn't dare post it. By the time the WS animation is finished, I'm rounding 60TP or more depending on Double Attack/ Triple Attack / Retaliation procs and so forth. I won't argue with the math and such, so let me instead get together a video of me doing this. Sometimes you just have to see the proof. ^^

[Leonlionheart]

^^ No, no, I don't troll. I know the math. I know how it looks on paper/screen. But you have to see it to believe it, trust me. If I hadn't tried this myself a dozen times up against other WARs just for kicks, I wouldn't dare post it. By the time the WS animation is finished, I'm rounding 60TP or more depending on Double Attack/ Triple Attack / Retaliation procs and so forth. I won't argue with the math and such, so let me instead get together a video of me doing this. Sometimes you just have to see the proof. ^^

While you do that I'll go make a video of me having 100% Tp before Ukko's Fury animation ends...

[kingfury]

>< I use GA too! I know about that TP gain lol. I'm saying it's possible to do the same with other weapons and still dish out great damage.

[Leonlionheart]

>< I use GA too! I know about that TP gain lol. I'm saying it's possible to do the same with other weapons and still dish out great damage.

But it will never be as good, so unless they have some great debuffs or stun, or are simply for procs, what's the point?

[kingfury]

But it will never be as good, so unless they have some great debuffs or stun, or are simply for procs, what's the point?

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Variety, Choice, and the fun of mastering multiple weapons. ^^

Can't say "they'll never be as good" since that's a factor that's based on the expertise of the player wielding the weapon and the weapons/gear/JA's/JT's/and such that are being planned for us for future updates.

I understand your stance Leon, and you don't have to worry that I'm trying to say GA isn't the #1 choice for DD'ing on WAR because it really is. There's no argument there. My point, even from the OP is that WAR does truly excel at using these other weapons enough so to be considered worthy contenders as DD'ing choices along side GA.

[Leonlionheart]

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Variety, Choice, and the fun of mastering multiple weapons. ^^

Can't say "they'll never be as good" since that's a factor that's based on the expertise of the player wielding the weapon and the weapons/gear/JA's/JT's/and such that are being planned for us for future updates.

I understand your stance Leon, and you don't have to worry that I'm trying to say GA isn't the #1 choice for DD'ing on WAR because it really is. There's no argument there. My point, even from the OP is that WAR does truly excel at using these other weapons enough so to be considered worthy contenders as DD'ing choices along side GA.

That's interesting, but unless they bring something to the table, or as long as WAR is a DD, there will never be any reason to use something that deals less damage. You're just not getting it...

[Arcon]

Mastering other weapons: play other jobs.

People argue with you because of three reasons:
1. It would only be used to make WAR proc everything
2. Apart from that, it's not needed. None of those WS are even useful for WAR, even if they did use those weapons for whatever reason
3. Your relentless reasoning: "We already have so much, so it only makes sense to let us have more!"

Those are things that won't change, people who dislike these things now will always dislike them, so please stop trying to convince everyone.

[kingfury]

Mastering other weapons: play other jobs.

People argue with you because of three reasons:
1. It would only be used to make WAR proc everything
2. Apart from that, it's not needed. None of those WS are even useful for WAR, even if they did use those weapons for whatever reason
3. Your relentless reasoning: "We already have so much, so it only makes sense to let us have more!"

Those are things that won't change, people who dislike these things now will always dislike them, so please stop trying to convince everyone.

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I had use for all of my weapons far before Abyssea ever came along Arcon >< It's the players that never found use for these weapons before Abyssea that believe this post is geared towards Abyssea. Yes triggering would be possible in Abyssea, but that's a side benefit at best from what my suggestion is aiming for.

Again, if a WAR doesn't know how to push the weapon skills they have already on those weapons, I don't expect them to even understand the point of getting more. My definition for effective ws damage (outside of Abyssea) is 1.5k+ damage. I can achieve this kinda damage on all the melee weapons a WAR can wield, so their "effective" for me. Again, I find enjoyment out of playing with different weapons, and pushing the limits of what can be done through the versatility of WAR.

Let me tailor your interpretation of what I'm trying to reason with you about:

"Your relentless reasoning: "We already have so much,(And as the level cap rises towards 99, we're only going to become more adept at what we do through higher combat skills, new JA's, new JT's, and newer/more powerful gear and weapon choices) so it only makes sense to let us have more!"

I'm not reasoning anything that isn't already going to take place in terms of WAR's imminent evolution as we approach 99. I'm simply suggesting what I believe would be a nice addition to WAR's future abilities.

No one can say what's going to change for this game at this point. No one even knew we would be where we are today, doing the great things we can do now. FC and Ukko's, ‹Thank you!› Devs ^^ I'm not too much concerned with folks that have WAR envy as they'll continue to be mad if we get ANYTHING in future updates lol.