Why Do You Loose Claim On Abyssea Mobs If Everyone Is Not Dead?

[svengalis]

Is this a technical issue and why do certain spells not claim Notorious Monsters?

[wish12oz]

It works the same as outside abyssea.
Lots of random things can make mobs go unclaimed, like having the only person who had an action on it die, having someone who has it engaged run out of range of being engaged and force disengaging, etc.
In order to claim a monster that has hate on someone not in your party/alliance, you need to first get the monster to attack someone in your party/alliance, then have someone perform an action on it. Any monster who doesn't have hate on anyone will be claimed by anyone who performs any action on it.

[rog]

Lots of random things

There is absolutely nothing random about it.

Monsters are claimed to the individual person, not to a party. The last person who performed an action on the mob has claim on it. If that person does something to lose claim (ie, disengage), then the mob will unclaim, if someone else in the party does not claim it in the time it takes for it to go yellow.

[Ravenmore]

BST have been dealing with this for years nothing new.

[Arcon]

It's still an issue imo, one that could be easily resolved. Claim a monster to a party and don't let it go yellow until everyone in the party is hate-free (dead or zoned for example).

[rog]

It's still an issue imo, one that could be easily resolved. Claim a monster to a party and don't let it go yellow until everyone in the party is hate-free (dead or zoned for example).

So you want it to be impossible to unclaim a mob, short of zoning, dying, or calling for help?

[Tamoa]

As if apoc-zombie'ing NMs isn't bad enough already? If your NM goes unclaimed, stop QQing, learn from it, and do better next time. Shit does happen sometimes, you know?

[Arcon]

So you want it to be impossible to unclaim a mob, short of zoning, dying, or calling for help?

Yes. I think unclaiming mobs while the alliance still has the will to fight it should be pretty much impossible, short of a total wipe. Sky gods had a nice solution with isolated islands once gods are popped, but that would be hard to do on all NMs. Maybe introducing the Confrontation status while mobs still have hate?

As if apoc-zombie'ing NMs isn't bad enough already? If your NM goes unclaimed, stop QQing, learn from it, and do better next time. Shit does happen sometimes, you know?

Shit happening (per definition) is shit. Why not fix it when possible? Apoc-zombie is nowhere near the same, there's plenty of times when no one is on the hate list during that tactic, so plenty of times when the mob is unclaimed.

The only reason to be for this game mechanic is to be a social parasite and steal the pops of others. I don't see any reason why this should be encouraged, especially on triggered NMs.

[rog]

Yes. I think unclaiming mobs while the alliance still has the will to fight it should be pretty much impossible, short of a total wipe. Sky gods had a nice solution with isolated islands once gods are popped, but that would be hard to do on all NMs. Maybe introducing the Confrontation status while mobs still have hate?

And if they do not have the will to fight? What if they want to give it up to someone else, without dying? They just have to die? What you are suggesting is not "pretty much impossible", it is entirely 100% impossible, even when someone WANTS to unclaim a mob.

[svengalis]

And if they do not have the will to fight? What if they want to give it up to someone else, without dying? They just have to die? What you are suggesting is not "pretty much impossible", it is entirely 100% impossible, even when someone WANTS to unclaim a mob.

You are making some pretty poor excuses for an obvious game flaw.