Tanking Strategies

[Cdryik]

Hey all,

I'd like to talk about the power of the shadow's, actually rare are thoses that tank without shadows, because, taking no damage is better than taking damage, for sure !

But my point here is, everyone one tanking or back up tank sub /nin.

I think, Final Fantasy team dev's should think about raising the level of utsusemi: Ni to level 50 and give acces to Yonin & Innin as sub job (perhaps), and raise the cap of Physical / Magical damage taken to 70~80% by giving more of equipment with thoses stats for paladin monk (and warrior) or giving them some job trait that cut down damage taken.
Or giving them more tools that'll suit with their job to mitigate damage.

By exemple, for monk:

Each hit directed at you give you a low chance to grant you one mark (show as a buff like the step from dancer), you can store over 5 mark on you. You can then choose to spend thoses point into abilites that will help you to mitigate damage taken.

Exemple of Ability:
- Revigorate : Use 5 mark to grant you powerfull regen (5% base HP / tick), reducing damage taken by 10% for 15 secondes duration.

And some others thing like that ~ using more or less mark depending on the difficulties from combat.


But doesn't it give more power of tanking from nin?
Nin is based on reactivity, that's his rôle to play with timer.
Thats why they shouldn't get access to the level cap increase from physical/magical damage but get more evasion tools or Damage tools, by giving them the :Ni version of what they are missing (jubaku, yurin, aisha, etc...), giving them also the abilities to get mark from evading an attack, release the mark to get access to à shadow buff that will absorb the next -ga spell within the next 10s. i dont know, there can be so much idea there.

Actually the way of tanking is broke by the over-use of Utsusemi.

[Eeek]

No.

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[Novax]

Mnk doesn't need /nin to tank well.

[JiltedValkyrie]

I have tanked on BRD/PLD. It's pretty interesting. Seen some RDM do the same thing.

[Cdryik]

Need some good stuff to tank well without /nin. Counterstance with Spharai is very helpfull, have the black belt too (and some other gear that are easy to get). Actually paladin doesn't need /nin either, they have a great damage reducing from Empy shield and AF but most of the others pld that doesn't use empy shield or relic (thoses that still playing) still using /nin.
Everyone want /nin, whatever your job, as long as you are a physical DD, i understand most of them using it for dual wield, but utsusemi: Ni is too powerfull, there is no challenge with this tools when everyone have access to it, that's my point in the OP.

Everytime i come as monk, with some nice damage reducing gear, i got tell to be /nin and some NM are hard but so easy with utsusemi Ichi & Ni with counter there is no challenge.

I have tanked on BRD/PLD. It's pretty interesting. Seen some RDM do the same thing.

That's nice to heard, i'd like to listen your story

[Glamdring]

not to mention I can tank dancer/anything... and I'm doing pretty well pup/war or /dnc.

[Francisco]

The only NMs I'd even take MNK/NIN to now are Ulhuadshi (to limit TP when backwards tanking), Bukhis and maybe if I'm trying to proc blue while tanking something like Rani... can't think of anything else I'd need it on - though I haven't tried the tougher Voidwalkers NMs or Arch Dynamis Lord yet...

I pretty much just go MNK/WAR if partied, and MNK/DNC if I want to solo NMs for some reason.

[JiltedValkyrie]

That's nice to heard, i'd like to listen your story

Well, BRD gets a pretty crazy amount of -PDT gear and /PLD gives Shield Mastery I. It's a bit difficult to shield cleave, but I've done it with a few monsters. Very doable with a WHM curing you, but best just to Aeolian Edge, Horde Lullaby, and repeat. Doesn't work as well. It's a job that can take a lot of hits, however. Try it out. RDM/PLD would probably be better at it. Also, Sanguine Blade is nice to have.

[MarkovChain]

Mnk doesn't need /nin to tank well.

Because playing mnk in abyssea is nowhere close to tanking. Try dynamis VT demons / new NMs / DL / new DL tanking it /war and feel your pain. /nin is for tanking, /war is for optimizing damage. Cure VI argument doesn't work anymore, you are stuck with 2k hp and one single bad move like quadrastrike can wipe you.

[Korpg]

Get rid of Utsusemi: Ni, and you will destroy the shihei market. Then you would make a lot of woodworkers very angry. Since only /NIN uses shihei, but there are lots of them, and most people who /NIN do so for AoE absorbable moves. Not to tank, not to dual-wield, but to keep the WHM from having to curebomb everyone in the party.