Unconditional 12% Movement Speed

[Eldelphia]

Dear Developers… why are things so unbalanced in this area?

This whole post began as a discussion on Ventrilo about movement speed between one of my sacks and myself. We pulled a table together. Without even looking at things like NIN boots....

Unconditional movement speed is a wonderful thing. I appreciate that we should work for it but things have gotten more and more unbalanced for certain jobs.

Any job which is wholly reliant on Herald’s gaiters from Tiamat or Crimson Cuisses from Kirin is considerably disadvantaged in comparison to others. Especially if you don’t RMT. The supply isn’t especially enormous even if you did scrape the gil together.

Mog Bonanzas aren’t cutting it. People don’t sell these shoes, they get them and hold onto them. They don’t often make it to the Auction House.

WHM/BLM/SMN/SCH all have access to Herald's Gaiters from Tiamat.

Remember we’re talking about unconditional movement speed here.

Why it is acceptable that some jobs get access to three forms of unconditional 12% movement speed and in COR’s case one of those is buyable from the Auction House when WHM/BLM/SMN/SCH only have access to gaiters?

At this point in the game paying over 10m gil for a pair of gaiters seems to contradict everything you’ve strived for by implementing Abyssea and reducing the dependence on gil. Even if a linkshell is capable of camping and killing Tiamat, the gaiters don’t always drop and the high price on them means that other members in your group are reluctant to let them go. In terms of difficulty of obtaining, I’d take a piece of Empyrean Armour or a 100% drop from an easy NM in Abyssea over a high level Wyrm whose window is huge and who doesn’t guarantee to drop, any day.

DNC gets free unconditional movement speed feet for 10mins work…

RDM/DRK/BLU/DRG/PLD all have access to Crimson/Blood Cuisses from Kirin

Please for the love of Altana improve the drop rate on Wyrmal Abjuration: Legs. My linkshell and many others are so demoralised that we’ve all but given up. We used to farm sky but it took us 3 years to see one pair of blood cuisses completed. I’ve only ever seen two pairs drop in my entire FFXI career. We capped out on Shura Togi/Kirin Osodes long before we saw a freaking pair of Cuisses. No one wants to do Kirin in shell anymore because it’s so depressing and they know it’s such a long waiting list. We’ve been up since the level cap has gone up and he’s an easy kill now but you need to collect a bunch of seals and then get lucky on the drop rate.

What’s bugging me is the inbalance. I don’t mind working hard towards a piece but for me 10-15 million gil is a ludicrously high amount to try and find and Kirin's drop rate is so low on W legs that its hard to find support for famring him.

I’ve completed Salvage sets, almost all mission lines, multiple relic sets, many many pieces of EAF etc and would work my butt off towards unconditional movement speed on my jobs but I can’t get it.

I have WHM/BLM/RDM/SCH/SMN/BRD/COR/PLD at 90. COR could buy hermes (occasionally but possible), BRD I have completed the EAF feet for. The rest? Outta luck. I had 7 of these jobs at 75 before Abyssea came out and most of them for several years.

Please improve the Wyrmal Abjuration: legs drop rate and give us alternatives for all those jobs restricted by either Kirin or Tiamat.

[Yarly]

The only problem here is Tiamat. Kirin is EASILY done with a group of 3-5 (SMN perfect defense + 2-3 strong melee would be pretty much minimum) and with the way triggers drop now, you can get up to 4 sets of Kirin after killing just one of each of the 8 trigger nms. ONE round of trigger nms can (and usually will) net you TWO full sets of god pops. Those will usually net you FOUR Kirin pops. So what if you did like two rounds of trigger nms? Up to 8 Kirins, etc. Unless you're saying that sky is absolutely filled with people on your server. You can trio all the gods with ease at 90, you can basically duo any of the trigger nms with dd+healer, and kirin is easily 5-manned. And with the sheer amount of sets you could be burning through, the low drop-rate wouldn't be noticed. My old LS went 0/200+ on Ridill while other shells were freelotting them. It's all about luck I suppose... I don't believe that wyrmal abjuration: legs drop rate is as low as you say they are.

Atoreis from Ramuh (now Bahamut) does Kirin with no 2hrs as WHM MNK WAR. Granted the mnk and war have Verethragna and Ukonvasara respectively but it's possible if you actually want to do ALL of your Kirin sets in one sitting.

What my group (of 3 players + 2 mules) does is just go up to sky, kill whatever is up, then move on with life. It doesn't take that much time. Yes, the lottery bullshit still stands. You could spend 2 seconds popping despot or 7 hours and not pop it. But we just leave when it gets too lame. You don't need to make an entire LS event for sky but if you did I guarantee you'll make more kirin sets than you think you would have.

Once again, Tiamat seems to be the only crappy bottleneck. Tiamat won't sit around and wait specifically for YOU to claim it. Tiamat doesn't even spawn daily! Terrible.

Hermes Sandals are not an issue, they're just expensive and only because they USED to cost a lot less. They were in the 2 mil range when Dark Ixion was first introduced.

Although I do agree, there is an imbalance.

In the meantime, another easily obtainable movement speed gear for your mages are Tatsumaki Sitagoromo with movement speed 8%.

I've long since given my mule accounts my gaiters and just used the tatsumaki.

Good luck, hope this thread works out.

[Myrrh]

Trotter's Boots.

[Arcon]

Please for the love of Altana improve the drop rate on Wyrmal Abjuration: Legs.

As was mentioned before, one round of trigger NMs will net you eight Kirin pops. The drop rate is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Your LS must have had the most horrible luck I've ever seen if it took you years to get the first Cuisses (or you only did it twice in those years). Wiki states a ~25% drop rate with a very high sample, my personal experience has it a lot higher still. Over years of doing sky, we got about ~40% Wyrmal Abjuration drops off Kirin. Now, even if you go by Wiki's lower estimate, with eight Kirin pops from one round of trigger NMs, you'll get an average of two Wyrmal Abjurations from one tour of sky farming, which can even be done in one day.

Trotter's Boots.

Trotter Boots. And they have the worst drop rate of all movement speed items I'm aware of, including Strider Boots, from my personal experience.

For those of you that suggest ASA pants, since when is 8% greater or equal to 12%?

It's not the same, but any movement speed bonus over 0% has a major advantage: it allows you to outrun the majority of mobs. So while it's not the same, it can be used for a lot of the same things, especially during battle (kiting was mentioned, especially in combination with PDT-8% on them).

Not sure if it was mentioned since there's a lot to read here but.... Garuda got Fleet Wind....

Was mentioned a few posts above yours.

I still don't get why you need more movement speed?

It's about efficiency. Movement speed bonus saves you more than than you think, and not only by running. As I mentioned before, the "outrunning mobs" part makes it possible to run through almost any area without Sneak or Invisible, which saves you more time casting, especially in zones like Ro'Maeve where there's magic aggro all around, even right at the start, and additionally it saves you having Monomi and Tonko tools in your inventory, which is a major plus for me. It's also very useful for kiting, if there still are such battles. And ask a BLM75 what they could do back then with Herald's, you'll see quickly that the price tag is not just due to its rarity, but actually mainly due to its function. BLM with movement speed was godly back then.

And it's only Sneak and Invisible that got an upgrade if I recall correctly, Monomi and Tonko still only last 3min for Ichi and 5min for Ni, same for Spectral Jig, which is still retardedly short.

[Ihnako]

It's about efficiency. Movement speed bonus saves you more than than you think, and not only by running. As I mentioned before, the "outrunning mobs" part makes it possible to run through almost any area without Sneak or Invisible, which saves you more time casting, especially in zones like Ro'Maeve where there's magic aggro all around, even right at the start, and additionally it saves you having Monomi and Tonko tools in your inventory, which is a major plus for me.

Do you know that there is something called "intentionaly" by design?
If you don't want to risk anything stay at your moghouse but don't complain that you have to use sneak/invis (spell/tools/powder/oils/JA) and that it will take inventory space and/or time.

shine

[Eldelphia]

I appreciate that we seem to have had exceptionally bad luck with kirin but we really have only seen 1 pair drop as a shell.

[Purrs]

You know you can get +8% movement pants by just doing the easy-as-all-get-out "A Shantotto Ascension" add-on. You have to select one of the three pants, but each one covers like 7 jobs. Since you seemed to focus on mage jobs, you can even get Cure Potency +5% to boot! So it may not be 12% from Herald's Gaiters, but it's something. RDM can use the mage one also instead of W. Legs. But I agree with other posters. W. Legs not that terrible to get now. Herald's Gaiters... that's just ridiculous.

[HFX7686]

You know you can get +8% movement pants by just doing the easy-as-all-get-out "A Shantotto Ascension" add-on. You have to select one of the three pants, but each one covers like 7 jobs. Since you seemed to focus on mage jobs, you can even get Cure Potency +5% to boot!

I'd get 8% movement speed and the damage down stat on the Shantotto pants, if one is using them for kiting. Seems kind of pointless to get anything else.

[Catsby]

A while back I suggested a new merit category with movement speed, regen and refresh values.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Burn brd to 90, it's what I did so I could run faster.