Camlann's Torment

[Ophannus]

It is weaker than other emps, but comparitevely speaking those other jobs don't have a 2h 4hit crit ws. WAR has Ukko's but Kings Fury/Raging Rush sucks. NIN has Hi, but Blade Jin is awful on HNMs outside abyssea, always has been. THF has Rudra Storm but besides Mercy Stroke, their only other good ws are lolsharkbite and Mandalic Stab. MNK has VS but Asuran Fists/Acetic Fury is lol on HNMs, expect like 600-800 from those. What's left? CDC is awesome but you're comparing it to other sword WS, Vorpal Blade/Atonement? lol. Camlann's sucks compared to other Empyrean but no other jobs that have good Empyrean WS have as strong of a WS as Drakesbane like DRG does. I doubt SE wants to give us 2 super strong WS. The only other job in a similar boat I guess would be PUP as Stringing Pummel is more or less the same as VS.

[Anucris]

Still theirs comes with aftermath. Drakes doesnt. But at least outside abyssea it can serve as a better ws for us to get aftermath with. Hopefully more content will lead us back out of abyssea.

[noodles355]

Drakesbane isn't super awesome on HNM either. It's a great WS for average and weaker stuff, but so is Raging Rush and such. On hard, high-def HNM Camlann's should be more consistant good damage than Ukko's.

Stop saying Camlann's is bad. It's not as useful at the moment because there's hardly any difficult stuff around, pretty much just new dynamis and voidwatch, but that doesn't make it bad. It makes it situational.

[Anucris]

I'm not saying it's bad I'm still working on my rhongo. Based on what you've seen I it necessary to change it to maybe -20%, -40%, -60%. Just to make it a lil stronger? Pple saying it needs to start at ignoring 50% seem desperate for a super ws.

[Anucris]

still happy with camlaan's?
just asking based on newer content that is out.. is it the best ws on the higher tier VWNM's and in legion? i know legion sucks now, but still someone has to have done it on drg.
if someone who has it can legitimately recommend getting it I may. soon as i finish up relic.

[Transmit]

You don't even need the WS to see it's topped by Stardiver.

3.0 ftp, 60% vit ignores 15% defense

vs

3.8~4.2ftp (depending on day) 100% str, raises everyones crit hit rate by 5%

[Anucris]

-_- gotta hate SE sometimes.. both of our uber weapon specific ws's suck.

[saevel]

Issue with CT is that ignores defense is just another way of saying attack boost. So on targets with higher defense while your not super buffed then there is an argument for CT. The moment you use stalwarts / bard songs / COR rolls then chunk Agnon and Dia, that ignores defense becomes meaningless and it's just a plain one hit 3.0fTP 60% VIT WS.

Vs Stardiver, 4 hits 0.75 fTP per hit that scales to 0.95 or higher (Moonshade / day effects) with a 100% STR WSC. All those COR / BRD / Item buffs and defense down debuffs will greatly raise SD's damage potential far past anything that CT can do. Heck it raise's it past what Shoha can do for a PLM SAMs. It becomes one of the better zerging WS's.

[Transmit]

CT would have a strong place if the ignore defense was worthwhile. 15% isnt much when you look at other WS's. Shoha adds somewhere between 35%~45% attack, old school Gekko was 100% attack. I mean even Wheeling Thrust was ignore 50% def.

[saevel]

CT would have a strong place if the ignore defense was worthwhile. 15% isnt much when you look at other WS's. Shoha adds somewhere between 35%~45% attack, old school Gekko was 100% attack. I mean even Wheeling Thrust was ignore 50% def.

I was trying to be kind to it. SE really dropped the ball on this WS, should of made the ignore def 50~75%. Would of made it useful vs ridiculously high defense targets.