Creating "Job Abilities" for Throwing, Shield, Parrying, and Blocking

[Kimble]

If you are using atma and gear sets to eva take on war, that means your damage is WAY down, and you are most likely not doing enough damage to even keep hate off other DDs.

As far as duoing, well, your WHM will have more than enough MP to keep you alive.

[HFX7686]

WAR being an evasion tank is one. ^^lol I used that example, because I've built this play style myself. Though I had the gear before Abyssea, the effectiveness was no where near as prominent as they are inside Abyssea. A dozen others exist, but I'm heading to the pool amt

I have never come across a single person playing WAR as an evasion tank. I don't think that is even possible, and if it is, the WAR is probably doing terrible damage.

Besides, evasion tanking is not a new style of play.

[wish12oz]

I completely agree, while if you waste your atmas and gear on supporting your evasion you may make enemys miss you a lot, but you're doing terrible damage, and if there's other melees around worth a crap, you'll never be the one the mobs are attacking anyway. Beyond that you could just play thf nin or dnc if you needed an evasion tank, those jobs can do it without requiring evasion gear or evasion atmas, and will outparse your evasion war.

[Bulrogg]

What new play styles popped up exactly in abyssea?

Please define what you consider new, as most that I know of, were used before abyssea as well.

WHM/MNK soloing nms in abyssea is a new play style. Maybe you witnessed it prior to abyssea, in that case it's new to me.

I too have seen eva WARs soloing nms in Abyssea. I am not arguing against the case that their dmg is taking a major reduction, of course it is. And yes the nms would die quicker with a better party set up. But not everyone lives in a Bob Ross painting. They are going out and soloing KIs during the day and doing the boss fights in the evening when the rest of the LS gets on. And yes, eva tanking is not new to the scene but more jobs are able to utilize it and some are even soloing with it. And again, I admit their damage is reduced but they aren't trying to zerg something down with a huge party, they are soloing their KIs. And yes, it would go quicker with a different party setup but like I said before, not everyone lives in a Bob Ross painting.

[kingfury]

^^ All responses I'd expect from folks that haven't seen a WAR playing this way before. It's cool though, since that's the point I'm trying to make with these suggestions. Just because it doesn't kill the NM as fast as what's the norm, depending on that player's situation, it could open the game to endless new possibilities of gameplay that are rewarding to that player alone. Not all players stick to groups, and thus have to alter their play style from the status quo to accomplish the goals they wish to achieve.

If you are using atma and gear sets to eva take on war, that means your damage is WAY down, and you are most likely not doing enough damage to even keep hate off other DDs.

As far as duoing, well, your WHM will have more than enough MP to keep you alive.

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The fight takes on a slightly slower pace, yes, but my damage on my evasion WAR is fine. ^^ and by fine, I mean enough to still fork out 2-4k damage with spike ws's and create nice skillchain damage and such.

Yeah, I dual box a WHM and the difference is monumental in terms of conserving MP lol. I put this set together for the very purpose of duo'ing those hard hitting NMs that either have ridiculous additional effects to their melee attacks (Adze, Jaculus, etc.) or just seem to ignore -PDT all together(Jaculus, Ansherekh, etc.) or just have insane amounts of Double and Triple attack. Swapping gear for WS's and keeping Raised Ruins on along with my evasion Atmas keeps my WS damage at a very nice level enough to smash heads and swap back to evasion.

I have never come across a single person playing WAR as an evasion tank. I don't think that is even possible, and if it is, the WAR is probably doing terrible damage.

Besides, evasion tanking is not a new style of play.

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Oh it's possible all right ^^, and again my damage is fine. All I have is a crappy phone camera, but I wouldn't mind popping a video on youtube for proof if you need it. ^^

Based on the 1st part of your post (and the fact I've never really seen another WAR in my time playing FFXI doing it either lol), though it's technically not a "new play style" in general terms, it is a very different way to play for a WAR. Again, my point is to open these skills in question to all jobs that can benefit in an effort to perhaps change the way they play the game in certain situations.

I completely agree, while if you waste your atmas and gear on supporting your evasion you may make enemys miss you a lot, but you're doing terrible damage, and if there's other melees around worth a crap, you'll never be the one the mobs are attacking anyway. Beyond that you could just play thf nin or dnc if you needed an evasion tank, those jobs can do it without requiring evasion gear or evasion atmas, and will outparse your evasion war.

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Ask my Linkshell if I have any trouble keeping hate while evasion tanking on WAR ^^. I've tanked nearly every NM in Abyssea at least once using this method and have done pretty darn well. Again, not sure other than posting a video or something to show proof, but other than that, it works out great if you can take my word for it... which probably won't be enough I'm assuming lol. ><'

Which in closing is all good though since seeing different/new ways to play a job is the very base of my suggestion. I'm aware at this point though, even if I showed a video of me taking down a NM using this method on WAR, folks would still cry "You could have killed it faster" or "Your DoT dropped dramatically" and so forth. In which I would again respond, if SE wanted every single player that plays a job in FFXI to play the exact same way as everyone else, we wouldn't have all the wonderfully diverse pieces of gear that we have to mix and match and stack to achieve vastly different outcomes for every different situation.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

^^ yeah, but I'd say PLDs deserve it. They already have to share their Emp. wpn with RDM and BLU, so I'd opt to let them shine with the one thing no other job can match them at /

Not really, they also have a shield of which no other job gets.

[kingfury]

Not really, they also have a shield of which no other job gets.

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Correction, LOTS of shields no other jobs get lol >< but, yeah, that's the point. DRKs can wield a GA, and some do pretty well damage wise, but a WAR will quickly outshine that DRK, and it's as it should be in my opinion. PLDs should out class every other job when it comes to Shield efficiency imo, and hopefully even with additional abilities like the ones I'm suggesting, SE continues to add even more tools for PLD to utilize to keep them on top of all other jobs. Heck, if it were up to me PLDs would get Great Shields lol of which they would equip in their main slot and "fight" by using various epic shield bashes to the head of their enemies lol. ^^ That deserves an illustration... gimmie a sec.

[wish12oz]

How much haste gear do you use in your evasion set?

[HFX7686]

Based on the 1st part of your post (and the fact I've never really seen another WAR in my time playing FFXI doing it either lol), though it's technically not a "new play style" in general terms, it is a very different way to play for a WAR. Again, my point is to open these skills in question to all jobs that can benefit in an effort to perhaps change the way they play the game in certain situations.

Still seems pointless and a waste of a WAR when another job could tank better while the WAR does proper damage.

If you want to do that, sure thing, go ahead and do it, but I wouldn't advertise it as a "new style of play" because most newer and inexperienced players won't realise that there are better and more efficient ways of doing things.

[Neisan_Quetz]

The heck is War evasion Tanking with C evasion?