Creating "Job Abilities" for Throwing, Shield, Parrying, and Blocking

[BurnNotice]

Now that I think of it, there hasn't been enough focus on throwing weapons or the consideration for WS. I strongly believe there is still time and room to implement this design in the game. The development team has found way to improve many things about the game, I doubt they wouldn't have the resource to do so. However, I know if SE would have considered this, it could be very time consuming to get this kind of a project going. Well, to all the developers, testers, and such, give it try. Try to see if it could be done and then give us some feedback.

[kingfury]

How much haste gear do you use in your evasion set?

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^^ 2% from hands, and spell haste lol. That would be the "slightly slower pace" i talked about in my recent post.

But I use those magical things called macros to swap in haste gear should I get a window of opportunity to do so. Like once I stagger the mob with Red trigger and such. At which point I'm flowing at capped haste and can reach close to 200 TP and build up a nice Ukko's to Ukko's skillchain. Works like a charm.^^ Retaliation is another great way to keep the TP flowing at this slightly slower pace as well.

[kingfury]

Still seems pointless and a waste of a WAR when another job could tank better while the WAR does proper damage.
If you want to do that, sure thing, go ahead and do it, but I wouldn't advertise it as a "new style of play" because most newer and inexperienced players won't realise that there are better and more efficient ways of doing things.

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^^; Hear me out now, the point of the suggestion on the OP isn't "If you want to use a shield change to PLD", or "If you want to benefit from throwing change to NIN". The point is doing things efficiently on jobs that would not otherwise get to truly excel at those things.

I think the issue in regards to "new style of play" is your interpretation of what "new style of play" means to you. As I mentioned before, one could say evasion tanking is not a "new style of play" for FFXI in general, but another can say using evasion to tank while on WAR is an entirely "new play style" for them to experience. I suppose I should use another term to describe it, but it works both ways. ^^

o.o is that sarcasm at the end? It's that old "text translation" thing messing with me again ^^; since this last line sounds like it has a joking tone to it.^^; /stagger

[kingfury]

The heck is War evasion Tanking with C evasion?

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lol ^^ well my Evasion on WAR with my gear is at 340, and the Atma pushes the set to shine. It DOES work outside Abyssea to help me evade here and there, but not so much against NMs and high level mobs like it does in Abyssea. I can take a quick pic of my gear and list the stuffs in a sec.

[Karbuncle]

Maybe its the fact i have the luxury of having THF90, and it being able to tank almost anything in full DD atmas in TP Gear, but the thought of gearing up my WAR for an EVA Set and EVA Atmas when i could switch to THF or NIN and Gear toward DD and kill the mob 8x as fast... doesn't appeal to me.

I don't deny it might work, i guess its just quite the foreign concept > >, I'll probably stick to THF and or NIN for Evading though ;x

[Neisan_Quetz]

I was going to ask how you fit that much evasion gear on war and kept haste gear on, but you answered that responding to Kamugi.

[Anewie]

I... Can't..

lol

[wish12oz]

"If you want to benefit from throwing change to NIN". The point is doing things efficiently on jobs that would not otherwise get to truly excel at those things.

How many pages of text do I need to make before you understand ninja doesn't excel at throwing, and that throwing is garbage?
How many times do I need to post the mechanics behind this statement for you to get it and stop saying it?
Seriously, I want to know, so that I can stop seeing you say it can somehow be good when you don't even understand why it's bad, even though I've said it 50 times in threads you created/read/replied in.

Now that I think of it, there hasn't been enough focus on throwing weapons or the consideration for WS.

There actually has been, you just missed it somehow.
SE said "We cannot add WS's to throwing in FFXI."
And throwing mechanics are garbage, basically you give up over 6 attacks worth of tp and damage to throw 1 shuriken, so it's not worth adding new shurikens, and SE hasn't. If you would like to read more about this, look for my first post in this thread on page 2.

[kingfury]

@ wish12oz:

^^ Well there's never been an argument from me over how efficient NIN is at anything Wish. Neither the OP or any other post from me has tried to target NIN specifically. My statement about "benefiting from Throwing" on NIN was in reference to the high combat skill rating NINs have, not that Throwing on NIN is the greatest thing and such.

This is my third time saying I'm not trying to focus on any job in particular with the OP's suggestion, but I'm sure I'll say it again ><; /stagger

[kingfury]

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lol ^^ well my Evasion on WAR with my gear is at 340, and the Atma pushes the set to shine. It DOES work outside Abyssea to help me evade here and there, but not so much against NMs and high level mobs like it does in Abyssea. I can take a quick pic of my gear and list the stuffs in a sec.

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Here's my Evasion skill at 340. Great thing about this, is that this will continue to improve as the level cap increases come along.

Evasion set for WAR-1

And here's gear at a glance. I usually start with my Ukonvasara in hand and swap to my Evasion GA if I'm trying to bump my evasion a bit more.

Evasion set for WAR-2

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Main(GA): Atlas +2 [eva +24]
Head: Optical hat [eva +10]
Neck: Evasion torque [eva skill +7]
Body: Askar korazin [eva +12]
Hands: Askar manopolas [eva +8]
Legs: Koenig diechlings [eva +10]
Feet: Emissary boots [eva skill +5]
L.Ear: Elusive earring [eva +5]
R.Ear: Beastly earring [eva +5]
L.Ring: Heed ring [eva +3]
R.Ring: Alert ring [eva +6]
Back: Boxer's mantle [eva skill +10]
Waist: Nusku's sash [eva +5]
Merits: Evasion skill [4 = eva skill +8]
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Again, the point is to push the concept that jobs that don't natively excel at something COULD with the help from "Enhancing Abilities" that would function similarly to how Atmas work in regards to enhancing certain skills. I also have some other fairly unorthodox sets for WAR that break away from the status quo like a shield skill set, and ranged acc/att set. And I'm gonna get right on capping those Marksmanship and Throwing skills ^^; The day I went to skill up Archery, I had forgot to grab my crossbow and boomerang /stagger