Creating "Job Abilities" for Throwing, Shield, Parrying, and Blocking

[Rocl]

What if you use Sange with those debuff shurikens?

[Karbuncle]

What if you use Sange with those debuff shurikens?

Whats... "sange"?

[Rocl]

Whats... "sange"?

Just because you don't have the correct T2 merited doesn't mean others don't.

[HFX7686]

Please stop suggesting throwing stuff for ninja. It's a horrible suggestion and really should be dropped.

Give ninja something decent in terms of damage, don't break the game (as clearly explained above) just to play about with throwing.

[Karbuncle]

Abyssea didn't change a single mechanic of the game. It just made us more powerful by boosting our powers through giving us more of the current "mechanics".

Abyssea didn't give us anything that Reduced/Expelled the 2sec JA/RA Delay. Which is the kind of "Gaming Mechanics" 12 is talking about.

Abyssea just gave us more of what we have, it didn't change any core mechanic.

The closest thing to a "Change in the core mechanics" was them shortening the "Cure Spell Terror" effect you get if you get Cure casting on you engaging/disengaging. Saddly, This was a terrible fix at best and every other spell/ability/action/swing still imposes this "terror" Effect of not being able to move/act/engage/etc.

This is really the only viable option, and only if it's 100% proc, otherwise you're better off with someone casting the spells instead of wasting time/gil/inventory/macro spots.

I had assumed 100% proc of course. It would have to be to be useful. the only random should be you missing or hitting.

addle, Amnesia, Silence, would be decent Debuffs to put on them. Give them 100% Proc rate.

for Addle/silence, have it last ~45~1min on Normal mobs.
For Amnesia, Have it last ~30 Seconds on Normal mobs.

For NMs, Amnesia Specifically, have it last ~3/5 Seconds, Just long enough to stun a TP move if thrown timed right. While this of course might not be worth it to some NINs (some NINs can face-Eat most TP moves with a WHM)... Maybe you're Soloing Sobek or something? Stun Tyrant Tusk this way? Honestly I'm spitballin hypothetical Situations.

[Zyeriis]

Abyssea didn't change a single mechanic of the game. It just made us more powerful by boosting our powers through giving us more of the current "mechanics".

Abyssea didn't give us anything that Reduced/Expelled the 2sec JA/RA Delay. Which is the kind of "Gaming Mechanics" 12 is talking about.

Abyssea just gave us more of what we have, it didn't change any core mechanic.

Experience Points system is completely different. The only similarity is the you kill stuff and get exp. The mechanics behind it are drastically different.

[Karbuncle]

Experience Points system is completely different. The only similarity is the you kill stuff and get exp. The mechanics behind it are drastically different.

You're right on this, They changed how you get exp.

Now comes the hard part. You seem to agree there is no realistically sane way to fix throwing to be a means of acceptable DD, So what are we debating here?

Throwing will always remain useless in terms of ranged damage. The best solution i came up with was giving Shuriken an amazing amount of TP yield, So maybe the WS frequency would make up for their lack of overall damage.

or giving them Unique Debuffs that would make them very situational, but still useful to some.

[Zyeriis]

Throwing will always remain useless in terms of ranged damage. The best solution i came up with was giving Shuriken an amazing amount of TP yield, So maybe the WS frequency would make up for their lack of overall damage.

or giving them Unique Debuffs that would make them very situational, but still useful to some.

That's the point, wish was arguing completely against any sort of update to throwing. I was arguing that there is still room to make them useful in other ways. I don't take back that the ranged attack system needs to be revamped from it's core but, that doesn't mean I'm only talking about shurikens. Ranger and Corsair are pretty screwed in that department either way but, that's a completely different discussion (one that involves so many more things).

I said earlier in the thread that I always wanted some ninjutsu that used shurikens as consumables. Unique debuffs would also make them relevant to some degree.

[wish12oz]

That's the point, wish was arguing completely against any sort of update to throwing. I was arguing that there is still room to make them useful in other ways.

To bad your ideas were all failures and not useful, if there was anything worthwhile I wouldn't of told you they were bad ideas.

The only really good idea so far, has been to add a 'kick attacks' ability to ninja, that would use shurikens instead of kicks, and that wasn't even in this thread.

[Kimble]

I dont get it, someone came out with an idea, and someone else told them how come that idea wont work and that person is a moron/bad person because they explained to them why it won't? At least hes GIVING a reason and not just "wah its stupid, i dont want it"" like for some reason you think hes doing.