blood boon

[Secondplanet]

This ability has got to be one of the coolest for summoner. But the big issue i have with it is its very poor activating rate. I'm sitting on +21 blood boon with full Emp gear +2 and i'm lucky if i see it once an hour while spamming BP's. I did manage to do a 5k geocrush in dynamis the other day but over all i really don't see the plus side of hunting down all of this plus BB stuff for it still not to work that much

And considering the +2 set augments BB this is a big problem since whats the points of augmenting something that rarely ever happens.

[Soundwave]

I made a post on this @ BG so I'll bring it here.

here is a 100+ Sample size and I will continue it every day for more accurate %

The sheet I made is very similar to the person who used excel to test Blood Boon when it first came out and I modified the sheet a bit.

What I found so far...

-Each gear allows access to a Damage Multiplier of 1.25, 1.50, 1,75, 2.0, and possible 2.25
(I have confirmed the 1.25 found in excel sheet and just guessing there is one more we have yet to see.)
-Each gear gives a 1% Augment Blood boon and does NOT stack with other Blood Boon gear outside of AF3

-Augment Proc rate = 5.16%
Job Trait Blood Boon Proc rate = 47.74%
**Job Trait Blood Boon stacks with Non AF3 Gear**

*Food for Thought* I'm guessing between Avatar Physical Pacts may increase the chance of Augment Blood Boon more than Avatars Magical Pacts

Physical 5/5 = 15%???
Magical 5/5 = 5% ????

Thanks. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TVVLFR5Q

[Malamasala]

I don't quite think you got those numbers down right. Considering you seem to say we should get a blood boon proc every 2 BPs, and I must say I only notice like 1 per night.

[Soundwave]

First are you just referring to Augment from AF3 that you only see one a night?????

orrrrrrrrrrrr are you talking about Blood Boon Saving MP (NON AF3) gear proc rate?

If your talking about Augment disregard bottom, if not read bottom.



My number are correct, Its very hard to make an error when practically the sheet checks itself with fractions. also you did not mention what your Blood Boon is at?

(with that being said I would assume about 90% of all summoners do not watch how much MP they save, I'm guessing your just going off gut instinct of when u think you saved MP, which leads you to think my sheet is wrong and the proc rate is to high...I thought it was funny you didn't comment on the %5 proc rate of the "augment" Blood Boon because the % is so low we barley ever see it. Last so when testing both Proc rate and Augment rate when I have 45 seconds to wait for each BP I took careful time when finding out when MP was saved or not.)

The test was done with 21 Blood Bloon + w/e the job trait gives, I'll "guess" 5-10
I'm ball parking each +X Blood Boon is 1.8% Proc Rate for saving MP

There is also a fine line between Proc rate and how much MP you saved for that proc.

The sample size is as I stated...so the % will not be truly 100% accurate but they are pretty dang close in my opinion. If you want to believe it or not up to you, however its really hard to disagree with this sheet.

Just to clarify again


-Augment Blood Boon Proc rate = 5.16% (This is only AF3 Gear that effect Augment Blood Boon THIS DOES NOT HELP WITH SAVE MP)
Job Trait Blood Boon Proc rate = 47.74% (This is gear outside AF3 THIS DOES NOT HELP WITH AUGMENT BLOOD BOON.)
**Job Trait Blood Boon stacks with Non AF3 Gear**

[Malamasala]

There is also a fine line between Proc rate and how much MP you saved for that proc.

I'm sure it is. I only eyeball noticeable differences like 50%+ as procs. I guess one would also need a sheet covering the likelyhood for each proc amount. Like you could say there is a 50% proc rate, but 50% of those might just be 15 MP and negligible.

[Soundwave]

Like you could say there is a 50% proc rate, but 50% of those might just be 15 MP and negligible.

I'm sorry but your not making sense, its extremely obvious when you actually /echo <mp > you can see how much you save, so its either you save MP or you don't...........this other 50% Negligible you talk about?! Wut?

Also the sheet shows you how much MP I saved per BP "if" Blood Boon activated.

and now I'm just talking about Blood Boon not the Augment from af3 Gear

*****EDIT******

Nevermind I understand what you mean, you could of said "Bullshit"

however you make no sense because you don't understand the sheet at all because your tossing in a factor that has no meaning whats so ever.

Your bascially saying 2 things

1 Bullshit
2 When Blood Boon procs and saves MP You actually don't

[Razushu]

I'm sorry but your not making sense, its extremely obvious when you actually /echo <mp > you can see how much you save, so its either you save MP or you don't...........this other 50% Negligible you talk about?! Wut?

Also the sheet shows you how much MP I saved per BP "if" Blood Boon activated.



and now I'm just talking about Blood Boon not the Augment from af3 Gear

*****EDIT******

Nevermind I understand what you mean, you could of said "Bullshit"

however you make no sense because you don't understand the sheet at all because your tossing in a factor that has no meaning whats so ever.

Your bascially saying 2 things

1 Bullshit
2 When Blood Boon procs and saves MP You actually don't

No what they're saying is Blood Boon procs often, however the amount of MP saved varies for instance I did an inferno howl for 60~ MP last night instead of 72MP my MP went from 480~ to 420~ which was a maximum saving of 20%

[Soundwave]

A proc is a proc nothing is negligible.

[Razushu]

A proc is a proc nothing is negligible.

A proc is a proc true enough but if the reward is small enough and doesn't make a difference in the fight the reward is negligible. The <12 MP I saved on Inferno howl WAS negligible because it was a miniscule amount of MP if I was fighting something bigger than an EP skeleton and finished the fight with around 10 MP as opposed to the 250+ MP. Small savings like that are negligible unless they happen multiple times over the course of a fight/party/farming run and become the difference between resting or another BP: Rage

[Malamasala]

A proc is a proc nothing is negligible.

I swap gear during BPs. My Perpetuation increase with possibly up to 12 MP per tick for a tick. This is negligible since I'd rather enhance my BPs than save MP. If a proc saves me the same sum, it also becomes negligible since it is a small amount eaten by my perpetuation tick anyway.

I also have about 6 MP per tick refresh. If I save 12 MP from a Blood Boon, it is the same as getting 2 ticks of refresh for myself, which is 6 seconds saved in downtime. Pretty negligible overall.

When we talk 50-60 MP, it is noticeable. That is way more than I'd might spend on increased perpetuation. What I'd gain over the course of 30 seconds refresh.