Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Meyi]

It's funny to see how many people are defending the leech system, the same system that will eventually speed up the death of FFXI.

The death of FFXI will be time. Previous to the announcement of 76+ we were suffering a stagnant, slow death. People had leveled all the jobs they had ever wanted up to 75 and were losing interest in end game events. They had all the gear they wanted, or almost all of the gear they wanted, and there was nothing enjoyable in the game anymore.

Abyssea is not the death of FFXI. It is a new, refreshing life.

Even going so far as to agree with aboloshing EXP entirely. Players being able to LvUp jobs extremely fast, will just give them more excuses to beg the Dev's to add more content, because they've maxed everything out already and have nothing left to do. A sad and negative fact that happens all too often, and I wonder how people can actually enjoy a game like this?

What's wrong with wanting content in a video game? After eight years, you honestly expect us to continue being satisfied with the same, non-repeatable content? Currently the only way to repeat all of the content is to start a new character over and most people don't find that idea very attractive.

As long as we continue to pay for the game, we, the playerbase, want to enjoy the game. If there is nothing left to enjoy, we will become bored and begin to drift.

Besides, I'm sure it's a huge compliment to the dev team whenever we ask them for more content. That means we enjoy their work well enough to continue asking them for more.

The major point here is that, nobody would be defending or getting upset about Abyssea Leeching, if the LvCap was 75 in the first place. Because of the fact that you were already handed the toy, SE would be stupid to take it away from you. That being said, them handing you that toy DID affect me, because I enjoy exping outside of Abyssea in regular EXP PT's. And when there is less and less people to pick from in the "/sea all inv" list, then it's harder for me to find members for that PT.

Not true. As GreatGuardian has said, leeching is not a level, it's a failure to provide anything beneficial to the party. Jobs at 90 who fail to properly gear themselves are bigger leechers than the level 30s opening the chests.

And as someone who once had Bard 75, I can assure you that one, I would never want to be stuck playing it in Abyssea, and two, would not want to waste my cruor opening chests because nobody else wants to, and the alliance didn't want to get a level 30 to do it. If any party ever expects me to open chests as a level 90 who's actually doing their job, I just leave. I can kill fast enough to enjoy solo play and I think it'd be rude to expect anyone who's properly doing their job to give up their cruor for 17 other people. It's a trade off with level 30s though. They give us their cruor, we give them their levels.

[Luvbunny]

Well said Meyi Chest openers are win win situation. The OP are delusional. If you are leeching you know the trade-off, you loose cruors, exp gain starts very slow (you need to stay at least 60-120 mnts to start seeing xp benefits), and dominion xp also starts very low. On top of that, you will have to skill ups which also take a good amount of time outside aby. The timesink is still there, but slightly different. You can still do a lot of repeatable quests as lvl 30. Abyssea is great as it is, no need to implement level cap, and let people leech as key openers. As developers I rather bring new people to the game, or returning players who will buy the new abyssea add ons, that is money coming in. As for the hardcore bitter players? Let them die and leave the game, they do nothing but spread their bitter poison and yearn for the "old ways" where everything was horrible and the game was extremely NOT users friendly. I am glad the old ways is dead, gone, buried, and forever be forgotten.

[Aliekber]

As for the hardcore bitter players? Let them die and leave the game, they do nothing but spread their bitter poison and yearn for the "old ways" where everything was horrible and the game was extremely NOT users friendly. I am glad the old ways is dead, gone, buried, and forever be forgotten.

I don't think anybody who clamors for XP to be made slower could be considered a hardcore player (a hardcore leveler, maybe). The real elitists tend to like the ability to leech.

[rog]

If only I could level GKT that way.

/sigh

load up on some counter gear/atma? Should still be faster than fighting one mob at a time

[Aliekber]

load up on some counter gear/atma? Should still be faster than fighting one mob at a time

Honestly, I haven't made it a huge priority since I only use GKT for Koki/Jinpu (since I don't have SAM past SJ), but yeah, I should get around to doing that. For some reason I had it in my head that because you don't get TP from counters, you can't skill up on them (as opposed to retaliations).

I guess it's time to put that Novennial ring to use (leveling /MNK)!

[rog]

For some reason I had it in my head that because you don't get TP from counters, you can't skill up on them (as opposed to retaliations).

disclaimer: the only job i have ever played that could counter is nin.

[Aliekber]

disclaimer: the only job i have ever played that could counter is nin.

Nah, I checked wiki, you're legit.

[Akujima]

Abyssea is not the death of FFXI. It is a new, refreshing life.

Kind of like a new born baby Alien from the movie "Alien".

What's wrong with wanting content in a video game?

When that content completely kills off everything else, then yea there's something wrong with that content.

Not true. As GreatGuardian has said, leeching is not a level, it's a failure to provide anything beneficial to the party. Jobs at 90 who fail to properly gear themselves are bigger leechers than the level 30s opening the chests.

This is absolute BS to the max.

The only reason NEW players wear Perle, Aurore and Teal equip, is because all the other good gear that comes from OTHER CONTENT is obsolete and nobody runs that stuff anymore. Oh wow, what made that other content obsolete in the first place? Lol... People like GG who support Lv30 Abyssea leeching, that's what.

And GG has the nerve to complain about their gear without actually giving it any thought as to why they're forced to wear it. All I can say to that is LOL.

[Sesh]

Akujima how long have you played the game if you dont mind?

[Kazen]

If you think most of the gear from old content is still relevant... I don't know what to tell you. Those people using full perle etc are mostly just lazy. I tend to farm AF3 and other required macro gear for a job before I even level it.

GG was correct in most players complaining about leeches are leeches themselves. I did a pick up merit pt after the servers went back up and the amount of terribly geared players is astonishing. I was on SAM at the time just screwing around and there was actually another SAM in the group. He asked why I blink so much and I asked if he used any gear swaps at all and he said no. He replied saying his damage was just as good without using gear swaps as the people who did use gear swaps, he mentioned that gear swaps weren't worth the hassle of using. This guy had 0% haste and no gear swaps and he was just one of many like that in the pick up group.

It's fairly sad when one person (myself in this case) was doing majority of the damage in an alliance. It's even sadder that I was a samurai, which is a job that is fairly lackluster in abyssea to begin with doing more damage than majority of the other DDs combined. I did have a slight advantage over the normal player by having a lvl 90 emp weapon but that still doesn't excuse the pitiful damage numbers I was seeing in the log.

Raging rushes for 1k or less, 600 blade jins, the damage equivalents of gimp throwing ninjas, etc. I see you here trying to defend the fact that these people are not leeches? Ha. A key leech is more useful than any of these people. I was killing 3 mobs solo in the time it took them to kill one.