Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Mrbeansman]

My totally wrong opinion

You people really need to get out of this idea that you should only get exp for participation when that's simply not how it works. The only people who care are self rightgous Dudley Dorights such as yourself who are the minority.

[Kimble]

wait, wait, wait, did Panthera REALLY just say if you get exp from a quest in abyssea from 30-75, THATS CHEATING?

So I guess SE should disable getting any exp from quests in abyssea too between 30-75?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Oh wow, completely missed the exp scrolls is cheating, that's just golden.

[Kimble]

so I guess doing Streetsweeper or the like campaign ops below 75 is cheating as well?

[Aliekber]

If you got cooking skills for casting Lullaby on an Aern, which is a very strange thing to be doing to begin with, something is off. I don't see why SE designed getting points for a combat stat system from doing non combat activites this way. It's not logical. If you got fishing skills for chatting with an NPC, that makes no sense, so I don't see why talking to an NPC (Dominion OPs) when you haven't participated actively in the battle should give you experience points. That's why I have a problem with some campaign ops.

Have you ever been an apprentice? You don't start out pounding away on an anvil, or running the drill press. You start out sweeping the floor. You will still learn buckets about working metal just by being there, even though you're not doing a thing to help, other than keeping the shop clean.

Knights start out as Squires, Squires start out as Pages. Pages are glorified errand-boys, who do next-to-nothing to do with fighting. Cleaning out stables, delivering anything the Knight needs sent, setting up a tent--that's what Pages do. They will learn plenty about how to be a Knight in the process of this. Squires manage armor, clean weapons, saddle the horse, carry packs, and cook food. They don't use a sword, but they watch the Knight train and fight. They learn lots in the process, even though they are not doing it themselves. Keymasters are there watching high-level players fight high-level mobs. Why shouldn't they get secondhand experience points (which is what they do get) from this?

[Crica]

Keymasters are actively participating in Aby groups. No, they are not fighting, but they are active in the group.

I can understand why ppl prefer a dedicated keymaster (or two, so they can trade off AFK's for RL such as WC/food/etc) in Aby groups - that way the rest of the group are able to solely focus on the battles.

[HFX7686]

5. In no place EXCEPT Abyssea is it possible for a level 30 character to gain XP while killing mobs in an alliance with a level 75+ character. In short, SE specifically CHANGED the code to allow low level players to gain XP. This proves that not only was this not an oversight, it was intended.

Not true. It's always been possible to leech characters. I used to do it on evil weapons in sky and on colibri at the bird camp. Just barely anyone did because they thought 45-60 exp a kill was bad, while forgetting to realise that level 75 parties kill a lot faster. That's why this debate now surprises me. It's always been possible to leech but no one ever cared before.

[Akujima]

You people really need to get out of this idea that you should only get exp for participation when that's simply not how it works. The only people who care are self rightgous Dudley Dorights such as yourself who are the minority.

@Panthera: I've no idea why you continue to debate against these people. The only reason they're still here, is because they need to defend they're own moralistic viewpoint and criticize ours. You are calling them out for "cheating" so they need to defend that it is not, to save themselves from feeling guilty. The moment you started to elaborate on "leeching as cheating" the argument turned in the opposite direction. At this point, they probably just view you as a religious preacher, trying to explain and uphold commandments such as "thou shall not cheat".

Your posts are strong. That's the only reason this thread has lasted so long. But when you break down the walls too far, people feel insecure about being out in the open. They will need to build those walls back up and target you as the enemy for trying to show them something they are not ready to see. They will not understand your intentions, and it will continue to be personal attack after personal attack, so save your self some dignity for at least trying.

Nothing good will come from the rest of this thread, so let the issue go and face the facts of reality. Stop allowing them to retaliate in a rude manner. You're giving them the opportunity to demean you and they're relishing in it. The thread tags only prove this to be true.

[Ravenmore]

So panthra thinks every quest in WoW is also cheating, by the way you come off anything outside of your point of view is cheating. I know not the same game but same principle. SE nerfed afk buff spam soon after it was found. Abyssea been out out a year, if they thought it was cheating then they would have done something bout it. Instead they add another way to leech.

[Chocobits]

@Panthera: I've no idea why you continue to debate against these people. The only reason they're still here, is because they need to defend they're own moralistic viewpoint and criticize ours. You are calling them out for "cheating" so they need to defend that it is not, to save themselves from feeling guilty. The moment you started to elaborate on "leeching as cheating" the argument turned in the opposite direction. At this point, they probably just view you as a religious preacher, trying to explain and uphold commandments such as "thou shall not cheat".

Your posts are strong. That's the only reason this thread has lasted so long. But when you break down the walls too far, people feel insecure about being out in the open. They will need to build those walls back up and target you as the enemy for trying to show them something they are not ready to see. They will not understand your intentions, and it will continue to be personal attack after personal attack, so save your self some dignity for at least trying.

Nothing good will come from the rest of this thread, so let the issue go and face the facts of reality. Stop allowing them to retaliate in a rude manner. You're giving them the opportunity to demean you and they're relishing in it. The thread tags only prove this to be true.

We treat you like preachy preachers because you sound preachy. You're imposing on our style of gameplay with weak and overcited examples of your definition of cheating. In any democratic process, yes, the majority IS correct. You need to get over the idea that just because you are a minority, you are not incorrect. You are incorrect by popular census. Your ideas suck by popular census. You are controlling and feel a need to dictate the way everyone else plays, and attempt to justify that by saying that anyone who disagrees is immature or not2bright.

Imagine a town hall meeting. Everything is pretty much wrapping up and everyone wants to get home and get on with their lives. There's this guy though, he keeps standing up and asking for action against the new hay bail loading system because it requires less work. Everyone else in the meeting dismisses the idea and the mayor is attempting to adjourn the meeting. This guy just won't stop though. He harps, preaches, whines and even makes accusations of cheating and laziness.

Who is being immature? We just want this meeting adjourned.

By the way, how are your interactions IRL? At work? Do you harp on your coworkers for being lazy or cheating? Do you have that obsessive need to control every aspect of your life as you do in Vana'diel? You probably aren't very popular or well-liked IRL either. You just need to relax broseph. You go against the grain just for the sake of going against the grain, instead of letting life flow naturally in a manner that would be more enjoyable for yourself and everyone around you. Once you come over to "our" side, you'll see that the grass is much, much less green on your side, and how silly you've made yourself look so far.