Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Nacht]

So if you think that people shouldn't level jobs in abyssea because they have to learn their jobs, then what about if we're leveling a job on a mule character? I already know how to play whm, I've played whm for years, but now I want a 2nd character that's a whm, and I want it quickly. Then that's ok to leech because I already know how to play the job, right?

I might have to learn a different playing style that involves controlling 2 characters, but I better get that whm to 90 as quickly as possible so I can start learning that.

[Akujima]

I might have to learn a different playing style that involves controlling 2 characters, but I better get that whm to 90 as quickly as possible so I can start learning that.

Ever notice how alot of people in game say they "need" something?

I see it all the time amongst 90% of the player base. How so many people say that they "need" a certain piece of equipment. When the fact is, they don't "need" it at all. It's a desire, not a necessity. Sure, you may want a Lv90 mule quickly, but what is the "need" for it? If as quickly as possible was to LvUp outside of Abyssea, then how would you know the difference? When is there a consensus on what is "fast enough" for everyone? Technically the fastest way to get a Lv90 WHM, is to buy an account with a Lv90 WHM job. But that is fraudulent, and is against the rules.

There needs to be rules and regulations, even within the construct of video games. If sports had no rules, how would they be entertaining at all? What is the excitement of scoring a goal in hockey, if there is no goalie to defend the net? Would it even be considered "scoring" without the challenge of having to get the puck past the goalie?

[Byrth]

Ever notice how alot of people in game say they "need" something?

Sometimes I do

There needs to be rules and regulations, even within the construct of video games. If sports had no rules, how would they be entertaining at all? What is the excitement of scoring a goal in hockey, if there is no goalie to defend the net? Would it even be considered "scoring" without the challenge of having to get the puck past the goalie?

I think you have a self-incriminating post fetish. This is another of my favorites:

I wish SE would step up and have the guts to do something unorthodox for once. Every other MMO has blood tanking as the main focus. Constantly avoiding DMG or taking so few DMG, kinda lessens the importance of "Healing" type jobs.

Hurry up and try something unorthodox, guys! Make it the same as every other MMO! If you don't even read what you write before you hit the post button, you can hardly expect other people to read it. By the way, worst analogies ever.

[Akujima]

Hurry up and try something unorthodox, guys! Make it the same as every other MMO! If you don't even read what you write before you hit the post button, you can hardly expect other people to read it. By the way, worst analogies ever.

Pulling a post out of context, from a different thread, because you don't understand the topic being discussed proves nothing.

The OP in that thread was talking about raising Utsusemi Ni to Lv50 so that subjobs would not have it available to them. In this context "Unorthodox" means "Do Something Drastic" to change the game mechanics around.

[Sayelle]

Pulling a post out of context, from a different thread, because you don't understand the topic being discussed proves nothing.

The OP in that thread was talking about raising Utsusemi Ni to Lv50 so that subjobs would not have it available to them. In this context "Unorthodox" means "Do Something Drastic" to change the game mechanics around.

I can say with 100% confidence that Byrth knows more about this game than you will ever know.

[Nynja]

Sure, you may want a Lv90 mule quickly, but what is the "need" for it? If as quickly as possible was to LvUp outside of Abyssea, then how would you know the difference?

Next time you need to go across the country, do it by foot. You dont "need" an airplane, a car, a train to do it, it can be done on foot.


He's such a boss, he didnt even "need" two legs to do it!

[Vivik]

I wish you guys would let this thread die so I can start my "Make Abyssea level 75+ or at least level 70" thread. It's tiring waiting so long and I don't think it's fair to others who want to rehash the same topic over and over again.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Holy walls of text you are are thick and still wrong. I can't believe you even made a reference to cheating death just to show how horribly wrong you are, get over yourself, damn. You still haven't provided a single instance of cheating that is allowable because cheating isn't allowed by the ToS. Seriously, just shut up.

[Akujima]

@Panthera: Good luck trying to get any point across. It's quite obvious that it's impossible to have a mature debate with anyone here.

The fact of the matter is that people want to be deceived into believing that there is no objective truths. That absolutely everything is subjective to perception, is what they base their entire thesis on. It's the other end of the fanatical agenda, allowing them cling to whichever side that suits them best at that particular moment.

If you bring up a reason that has to do with morals, they will say things like "you're QQ'ing, because you just want people to LvUp your way!"

If you bring up a reason that has to do with logic, they will swing in the other direction saying "well we should have have the choice to play how we want"

Whatever situation arises, they will simply pick and choose whichever response best suits them.

Speaking to them about intangible things, such as emotion, feelings and accomplishments is futile. Rarely do people truly understand these things anymore, and far and few between will have the integrity to discuss these things in a mature manner.

They will continue to avoid confronting the real discussion, picking and pointing at your minor inconsistencies until it drives you mad. Like a child who repeats everything you say, just to get under your skin until you give up. That is how they win.

[Vivik]

@Panthera: Good luck trying to get any point across. It's quite obvious that it's impossible to have a mature debate with anyone here.

Mature debates ended on this topic a while ago when the servers were down. Now it's just user 6489+ rehashing the same crap. It's not going to change, the majority of the player base does not want it to change, SE does not want it to change, and nobody cares if you do, move on...